How easy to get another job after being dismissed

zzzLazyDaisy

They have to provide you with full details of their investigation, before the meeting, to give you time to consider it, so that you can go to the meeting fully prepared and able to comment on the evidence.

It is very common for that meeting to take the form of a discipilinary meeting, rather than an investigatory meeting. But the fact remains that they must give you a fair chance to put your side of things, to comment on the facts revealed by the investigation , and to raise any other matters that you consider relevant, before they make their decision.

They are playing this absolutely by the book. You may, if you wish, take with you a written statement of the facts, as you see them, including any mitigating factors that you want them to take into account. They should have no objection to you reading from the statement, and most employers will let you hand the written statement in. At least then you will have got your points across.

CocoPopsLover

I really do feel for you and I dont mean to be harsh, but why did you give advice as an employee in the first place?

And the fact that you stated that you were asked if you were on the site sounds like you gave out a bit more information that you should have about yourself to put two and two together resulting in them knowing exactly who to call. Public forums like this are anonymous so I dont see how they figured out it was you.

In regards to mentioning AML, I think they got you right there and could dismiss you just on that because I believe that telling someone that they may be part of AML procedures is illegal or am I wrong in believing that?

You need to read your employers guidelines and disciplinary procedures very very carefully and remember to be very careful what you say online next time (if you ever do say anything regarding your employment again).

I would stay away from public forums and when you get your evidence, prepare a statement and defence and dont lie. Apologise endlessly and make them see your very very sorry for what you had done and had you known that you couldnt do it, then you wouldnt have in the first place (unless you knew exactly what you were doing?).

No one can tell you what the outcome will be but tbh from where im standing, it looks like a dismissal but im hoping im wrong but hopefully not and you can learn your lesson.

In terms of getting another job in banking, I think you will find it very difficult if at all possible because im not sure if employers will take kindly to being dismissed, especially for Gross Misconduct and on most job applications for banks, if not all, do ask you you're reason for leaving you're previous position and you dont want to lie to make things worse for yourself if you are offered the job.

Keep us informed as to what happens and good luck mate

suewiththeblues

would just like to reinforce what others have said about the reference, in the past i have been in the 'resign or be sacked' place that you are in and trawled the net for info on references, most of it mixed and left me just as confused about what to do. i got out of my job before disciplinary as at that point in my life i could not cope with being investigated and all the nonsense and knew damn fine there was no case against me. if i could go back i would have sat back let them do their investigation and laughed as it didnt stand up but the stress i was put under by the restricitions placed on me by the company was too much.

now, the next job i went for requested a reference and the ex manager wrote on it ' i was being investigated after a complaint' and things like 'unable to comment on performance in this role pending outcome of investigation which was not concluded as she left this employment'

whilst not mentioning the actual nature of the case or gross miconduct was enough to put the new emplyer off and they withdrew their offer :mad: so i shot myself in the foot by leaving (didnt resign) and not seeing it through


i am also wondering were your employers actually able to trace that username to you personally to prove it was you ? just being pedantic of course as i realise you have already admitted it

i really do feel for you as i know how horrible this type of situation is

ConfuzedMale

As someone said, I think I gave out too much info so when they called me to ask if i was on this site, I kind of confirmed their suspicions by saying yes but didnt confirm my username so for all i know (but i pretty much doubt it) they could be investigating the wrong username.

It is really stressful for me as well, and resigning did cross my mind. I have been in Banking since I started working and I dont think I could enjoy doing anything else right now and 'if' i get dismissed, i would have spoilt any chances I have of staying in banking and i dont know how to go about looking for work!!

All I can do is wait for the evidence and see what it says as I do not know what im facing without the evidence in front of me. Although the only evidence they can bring to the table is posts from the site as I dont believe I have done anything else wrong unless they bring up something else that im totally unaware of

I just hope that I have a very good defence

ceridwen

ConfuzedMale wrote: »

As stupid as I feel now, you are absolutely right, I should not have stated that I worked for this company.

I alway did read posts from 3 different people, each working for either Natwest, Barclays and HSBC and their posts did make me wonder how they got away with revealing half the things they did

I should have learnt from them, ofcourse I thought I was helping but I didnt have to state the company I work for to help

You're completely right and it was foolish of me to do so

I just hope I get off with a final warning at most

...well...this is just my personal view of course....but I wouldnt be feeling "stupid" for having stated that I worked for this company....personally I would be feeling "stupid" for having admitted to my employer that "yes...it was me that posted on that Forum it was".

I do think one needs to make a policy decision NEVER EVER to admit to one's employer that one posts on a Forum (this one or any other). They might know very well that it really WAS you...but if you deny it...then how can they prove it...?

...and, yes, I do believe strongly in being honest and "telling it like it is"...so lying (even in a context like this) goes right against the grain....but if employers are trying to pry into an employees private life...then they are the ones that "stepped out of line" first.

Admitted - having said that - I never ever give any clues to who I work for or what type of job I do - as I prefer to play "safe than sorry"....I prefer to avoid arguments if I can manage it...even those I would win...:rolleyes:

ceridwen

ConfuzedMale wrote: »

As someone said, I think I gave out too much info so when they called me to ask if i was on this site, I kind of confirmed their suspicions by saying yes but didnt confirm my username so for all i know (but i pretty much doubt it) they could be investigating the wrong username.

It is really stressful for me as well, and resigning did cross my mind. I have been in Banking since I started working and I dont think I could enjoy doing anything else right now and 'if' i get dismissed, i would have spoilt any chances I have of staying in banking and i dont know how to go about looking for work!!

All I can do is wait for the evidence and see what it says as I do not know what im facing without the evidence in front of me. Although the only evidence they can bring to the table is posts from the site as I dont believe I have done anything else wrong unless they bring up something else that im totally unaware of

I just hope that I have a very good defence

....and thats what I would hold to if I were you....unfortunately you admitted being on this Site....BUT BUT BUT...you did not admit your username....so how can they prove its you?...as I understand it - British law still expects that people are innocent until proved guilty. If they cant prove your username is you - then how could they "convict" you?

Employers are very prone - in my experience - to trying to frighten their employees into doing what they want...and right now...what they want is for you to admit that YOU are the person behind this username.....DONT DO IT....(yep - I've heard mine sitting there specifically planning how to "set their employees up" to do exactly what they want....no wonder I'm so darn cynical about employers.......)

CocoPopsLover

ceridwen wrote: »

...well...this is just my personal view of course....but I wouldnt be feeling "stupid" for having stated that I worked for this company....personally I would be feeling "stupid" for having admitted to my employer that "yes...it was me that posted on that Forum it was".

I do think one needs to make a policy decision NEVER EVER to admit to one's employer that one posts on a Forum (this one or any other). They might know very well that it really WAS you...but if you deny it...then how can they prove it...?

...and, yes, I do believe strongly in being honest and "telling it like it is"...so lying (even in a context like this) goes right against the grain....but if employers are trying to pry into an employees private life...then they are the ones that "stepped out of line" first.

Admitted - having said that - I never ever give any clues to who I work for or what type of job I do - as I prefer to play "safe than sorry"....I prefer to avoid arguments if I can manage it...even those I would win...:rolleyes:

And I agree:beer:

After reading this again, unless it was a very random coincidence on such a large site, how on earth did they know out of all the workers this bank may have, that this poster was more likely to be you rather than anyone else?

How much information have you given out????

Unless they have people prying on the site looking to catch people out in which case you should never reveal who you work for and keep personal and work information separately and dont give out too much information, you dont know who you're giving it too!!!!

greytroot

Gross Misconduct and getting another job - then again Sir Fred Goodwin had nae bothers, easy conscience. just goes to prove the lower down the pecking chain the worse you are treated by every class of society. Look at them thieving politicians still have jobs bet i would get sacked for false claims - ohh errors of judgement nae bloody chance first rule of claiming expenses they must be essential claims required to carry out your duties. thought that was clear as clear could be. Why hasnt sir fred goodwin lost the sir i remember lester piggot losing his title after spend time in jail for erroneously submitting (or not submitting) tax returns.

The truth is the truth, straight yes and no!

ceridwen

Agree with CocoPopsLover....

The thing is....and I have no idea how widespread how this is mind you....but there ARE some employers who have no scruples whatsoever about "spying" on their employees at any excuse they get and it takes positive "nerves of steel" to continue working for them.....

...and ...yes....I have one of them....so I do know about this...:eek::mad:...hence my telling you to admit nothing..

...there is a price to be paid for working for that "intrusive" type of employer...and I was only just now wondering how to be better able to "pull down the shutter" when I leave work each night and get back to normal emotionally and try not to let people like this affect me personally and have a worsening affect on me personally in my own life.....and its not easy to work out how to do a suitable "balancing act" when one's employers are this intrusive I know....

...but for right now.....stick to admitting nothing further no matter what pressure they put on you.

CocoPopsLover

ceridwen wrote: »

Agree with CocoPopsLover....

The thing is....and I have no idea how widespread how this is mind you....but there ARE some employers who have no scruples whatsoever about "spying" on their employees at any excuse they get and it takes positive "nerves of steel" to continue working for them.....

...and ...yes....I have one of them....so I do know about this...:eek::mad:...hence my telling you to admit nothing..

well lets see how much spying they have done when he gets his evidence! (if he is willing to share this with us)

You might be shockingly suprised as to how much spying they have actually done, lol (apologies for seeing the funny side)

All i can do is wish you good luck confuzedmale and lets hope they are willing to give you another chance by letting u off with a final written warning at most but banks are looking for any little reason to get rid of people these days

Let this be a lesson to everyone

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