How easy to get another job after being dismissed

p00hsticks

pinnerjim wrote: »

No company is allowed to give a derogatory reference anymore. All they can do is say that you worked there from "date" to "date" and not amplify any further.

That's not true - they are perfectly entitled to give a bad reference providing that what they say is true. So if an employee was in the process of facing a disciplinary proceeding when they resigned, then there is no reason why the employer cannot say this in a reference.

zzzLazyDaisy

pinnerjim wrote: »

No company is allowed to give a derogatory reference anymore. All they can do is say that you worked there from "date" to "date" and not amplify any further.

This is simply incorrect. If a former employer gives a reference, it must be honest and factual. It is perfectly proper to state that an employee resigned during disciplinary proceedings (if that is true). It is also perfectly proper to state that an employee was dismissed for gross misconduct (if true).

What an employer should not do is to make personal comments, or unsubstantiated statements, whether in a written reference or in a verbal telephone conversation.

EDIT - crossed with above poster

ConfuzedMale

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

I agree with Scrooge. It is by no means a fore-gone conclusion that you will be dismissed for this offence.

Check the bank's disciplinary procedures, there will be a section headed 'gross misconduct' which lists the type of offence that will normally be considered to be GM. The list isn't exhaustive, but it is a good indication.

If posting on a public internet forum doesn't fit within one of the headings, and provided there have been no other warnings to staff that this could be viewed as GM (e-mails to staff, notice of staff notice board etc) Then you have a good defence that you did not realise that this was not allowed and/or you did not realise that you would be putting your job at risk if you did this. This is the point - the bank must have made it clear to staff that posting on forums is not allowed and is a dismissable offence.

Stress to them that you did not realise you were doing anything wrong and you had no idea that you were putting your job on the line. Point out that you have been with the bank four years and that you have a clean disciplinary record (if this is the case). Assure them that you will never do anything like this again, and ask for leniency.

Make sure you take a colleague ot TU rep with you, and get that person to take careful notes, because you won't remember half of what was said, afterwards.

You may 'get off' with a final written warning.

Thanks, yep, nothing about posting on forums in procedures or handbook

I have never ever had warning or disciplinary action towards myself in this job or ANY job!

She did say that giving away procedures was GM but i dont believe i gave away any procedures

ConfuzedMale

Ah okay, in this case someone posted that they received a letter saying their account was being closed and i mentioned the possibilities that could have led to the account getting closed and as i work for the bank, im sure that if he speaks to a manger, they 'might' be able to override the decision

Apparently I was wrong in saying this and now they have me in for Gross Misconduct.

I have heard advisors telling customers this so i honestly didnt beleive it was wrong. I called up an advisor anyway and posed as a random customer to see if they gave away the same info i did online and i got the date, name and time of the persons i spoke to so im hoping to use this as evidence as I know they record conversations and it would be illegal for me to do so

Hope it works in my defence

Louise22

ConfuzedMale wrote: »

Ah okay, in this case someone posted that they received a letter saying their account was being closed and i mentioned the possibilities that could have led to the account getting closed and as i work for the bank, im sure that if he speaks to a manger, they 'might' be able to override the decision

Apparently I was wrong in saying this and now they have me in for Gross Misconduct.

I have heard advisors telling customers this so i honestly didnt beleive it was wrong. I called up an advisor anyway and posed as a random customer to see if they gave away the same info i did online and i got the date, name and time of the persons i spoke to so im hoping to use this as evidence as I know they record conversations and it would be illegal for me to do so

Hope it works in my defence

seriously thats all it is for?! That is ridiculous - I used to tell people that in the bank all the time!

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

pinnerjim wrote: »

No company is allowed to give a derogatory reference anymore. All they can do is say that you worked there from "date" to "date" and not amplify any further.
I would resign to save face but it is tough out there and you might have to look away from banking as others have said.

Utter !!!!!.

As long as its factual they can say what they want.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

ConfuzedMale wrote: »

Ah okay, in this case someone posted that they received a letter saying their account was being closed and i mentioned the possibilities that could have led to the account getting closed and as i work for the bank, im sure that if he speaks to a manger, they 'might' be able to override the decision

Apparently I was wrong in saying this and now they have me in for Gross Misconduct.

I have heard advisors telling customers this so i honestly didnt beleive it was wrong. I called up an advisor anyway and posed as a random customer to see if they gave away the same info i did online and i got the date, name and time of the persons i spoke to so im hoping to use this as evidence as I know they record conversations and it would be illegal for me to do so

Hope it works in my defence

Its probably a warning, not , gross misconduct however.

You shouldnt be discussing policies and procedures on the internet however,

ceridwen

Whatever you do DONT DONT DONT resign.

If you do do that then you might very well find that you have problems with the D.W.P. re getting benefit money coming through to you right away - so PLEASE do not resign...

I hope this works out well for you...and, from where I'm standing, I dont personally think you did anything wrong and am wondering whether they are after redundancies and you "popped your head over the parapet" and they've thought "wonderful - thats a good excuse to go for one member of staff....now what can we find to get rid of the other staff numbers we dont want...." - so I do hope this goes well for you. I would say its not a foregone conclusion yet that you will lose this job and I do hope you manage to keep it....but DO NOT resign...

inmypocketnottheirs

Ceridwen:

When a new idea emerges - at first its derided, then ignored, then finally treated as though it had always been there...

Similar to:

Truth passes through three phases:

• First it is ridiculed.
• Second it is fiercely and violently opposed.
• Third, it becomes self-evident.

— Arthur Schopenhauer

ConfuzedMale

Thanks for the responses guys, I think I wont resign after what you guys have been saying

In my answer, I also did mention that one possibility could be AML procedures so Im not sure if that goes well on my part but whats done is done now

I will face the consequences and hope i get off with a final warning at most