Lost my JSA

sexki11en

wishface wrote: »

you still haven't answered the question.

Actually I did but you can't argue with stupidity so i'll not argue with you anymore Anyway - OP has stated they have a bar job now so the question you keep repeating over and over is completely irrelevant, because that is what they'll do now.

wishface wrote: »

The way people react you'd think he'd personally stlen your savings!

In some way he did. If we weren't having to pay for peoples stupid mistakes, taxes would be lower and that money would be in my savings. He wasn't entitled to be claiming that money, he lied to get it so he obtained it by deception at the very least. If I'm not mistaken, under normal circumstances thats against the law. Ahhhhhh but should people be above the law 'just because they made a mistake or didn't think about their actions?' :rolleyes:

wishface

sexki11en wrote: »

Actually I did but you can't argue with stupidity so i'll not argue with you anymore Anyway - OP has stated they have a bar job now so the question you keep repeating over and over is completely irrelevant, because that is what they'll do now.


In some way he did. If we weren't having to pay for peoples stupid mistakes, taxes would be lower and that money would be in my savings. He wasn't entitled to be claiming that money, he lied to get it so he obtained it by deception at the very least. If I'm not mistaken, under normal circumstances thats against the law. Ahhhhhh but should people be above the law 'just because they made a mistake or didn't think about their actions?' :rolleyes:

People's 'stupid mistakes'? Wow, must be quite warm on a day like this in your glass house.

Lying per se isn't illegal. If it were the whole country would be in jail.

EDIT: your taxes won't be lower. Benefit fraud has been at negligible levels for years, despite government propaganda and media !!!!!!!!. There isn't this perceived assault on the state's purses. If you seriously think the government would reduce taxes but for the actions of these dreadful layabouts and their 'stupid mistakes' then you are exceptionally naive. This country is very wealthy; unfortunately that wealth is squandered where it is properly collected at all.

I assume of course you direct your ire equally to those responsible for depriving the country of billions (even legally). Not just people who quit their jobs and don't work, etc?

Anyway I'm not here to condone or criticise the OP's actions; I'm asking a very simple question. You haven't answered it. You have said you are quite happy that people in the OP's situation should lose all entitlement to benefits; what you haven't said, and what I keep asking, is what do you suggest we do with such people?

vegankris

wishface wrote: »

You have said you are quite happy that people in the OP's situation should lose all entitlement to benefits; what you haven't said, and what I keep asking, is what do you suggest we do with such people?

I'd like to see this answered as well- luckily the OP found a job bartending in time, but many of the posters here don't seem to realise that it's just not that easy to get a job, and for many unemployed people it's not for lack of trying- I know loads of unemployed people who have genuinely been trying their hardest to find any sort of employment and are still getting nowhere fast.

These right-wing posters don't seem to have thought as far as what these people will actually do to feed themselves and keep a roof over their head if they cannot find a job in time. Beg? Steal? Squat? Build shanty towns? Give up and kill themselves? Is that what they want? Because without a shadow of a doubt that's what will happen!!

As for deterring others from quitting their jobs if they are utterly miserable or are being bullied and nothing being done to help them... some shall be deterred but that will also acheive a steep rise in mental health issues like anxiety and depression as well as raising the suicide stastistics. Do people actually want this?

daz100

vegankris wrote: »

I'd like to see this answered as well- luckily the OP found a job bartending in time, but many of the posters here don't seem to realise that it's just not that easy to get a job, and for many unemployed people it's not for lack of trying- I know loads of unemployed people who have genuinely been trying their hardest to find any sort of employment and are still getting nowhere fast.

These right-wing posters don't seem to have thought as far as what these people will actually do to feed themselves and keep a roof over their head if they cannot find a job in time. Beg? Steal? Squat? Build shanty towns? Give up and kill themselves? Is that what they want? Because without a shadow of a doubt that's what will happen!!

As for deterring others from quitting their jobs if they are utterly miserable or are being bullied and nothing being done to help them... some shall be deterred but that will also acheive a steep rise in mental health issues like anxiety and depression as well as raising the suicide stastistics. Do people actually want this?

Tha was my point. I would rather there be a safety net than none at all!

wishface

It makes economic sense; which is the argument often used by those who speak against claimants. That's the irony of all this.

Oldernotwiser

vegankris wrote: »

I'd like to see this answered as well- luckily the OP found a job bartending in time, but many of the posters here don't seem to realise that it's just not that easy to get a job, and for many unemployed people it's not for lack of trying- I know loads of unemployed people who have genuinely been trying their hardest to find any sort of employment and are still getting nowhere fast.

These right-wing posters don't seem to have thought as far as what these people will actually do to feed themselves and keep a roof over their head if they cannot find a job in time. Beg? Steal? Squat? Build shanty towns? Give up and kill themselves? Is that what they want? Because without a shadow of a doubt that's what will happen!!

As for deterring others from quitting their jobs if they are utterly miserable or are being bullied and nothing being done to help them... some shall be deterred but that will also acheive a steep rise in mental health issues like anxiety and depression as well as raising the suicide stastistics. Do people actually want this?

I am very happy that we have a safety net of benefits in this country but I don't like to see it being abused, not because I want to save taxes - personally I believe that we should all be paying far more tax - but so that education, health and pensions could be better funded and those with genuine disabilities and problems could receive more.

However, I don't think that this should mean that someone who chooses to give up a job voluntarily should still receive anything other than an emergency payment or that people should be disencouraged from taking responsibilities for their own actions. This is in no way a right wing attitude; if the founders of the welfare state had ever thought that money was going to a young person who had already had an excellent education subsidised by public funds and just didn't happen to like his job I'm sure they would have been appalled!

I think that the idea that people who stay in their jobs unhappily will develop mental illnesses is quite ridiculous. I have far more respect for the people of this country than to think that they are so weak as to not be able to cope with some adversity occasionally.

Angel89_2

I honestly feel sorry for you mate...


I am in a job at the moment where im constantly bullied every 15 t 20minutes, for about 5-10minutes each time, every hour of everyday...


And so i fully do understand what its like to really really feel miserable in your life because thats how your life is being made.

But the thing is that they wont fire you or terminate your employment, since the people who do that want to have someone there to bully as it makes them feel better,
and so they want to keep you there and keep treating you like that. :mad:


I cant offer you any practical help, but can i just ask why you actually admitted to 'quitting your job'??

And why did you 'quit'??
Not just do what i would do if i was able to leave my job, and to just stop turning up to work 1day, ignore all the bosses phonecalls, and then after a few days they would just terminate your contract and so would have fired you still.

wishface

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I am very happy that we have a safety net of benefits in this country but I don't like to see it being abused, not because I want to save taxes - personally I believe that we should all be paying far more tax - but so that education, health and pensions could be better funded and those with genuine disabilities and problems could receive more.

However, I don't think that this should mean that someone who chooses to give up a job voluntarily should still receive anything other than an emergency payment or that people should be disencouraged from taking responsibilities for their own actions. This is in no way a right wing attitude; if the founders of the welfare state had ever thought that money was going to a young person who had already had an excellent education subsidised by public funds and just didn't happen to like his job I'm sure they would have been appalled!

I think that the idea that people who stay in their jobs unhappily will develop mental illnesses is quite ridiculous. I have far more respect for the people of this country than to think that they are so weak as to not be able to cope with some adversity occasionally.

I'm not sure how anyone here is abusing the system; as I've already stated fraud (which happens in all walks of life, employed or otherwise) is at negligible level. I really don't get the position you are arguing from.

You don't think that unhappiness, misery and stress can cause mental illness? I presume then you have never heard of depression.

Working every day isn't occasional, is it. Thus if the job is causing undue stress then is it not sensible, medically (and thus financially, in keeping people off the sick which I presume you are all for), that people aren't forced into such 'adverse' conditions, just because there's a recession. Why on aerth should someone be forced to stay in a miserable job? Utter lunacy (and recent lunacy as well, since we aonly started living like this over the past century of so).

veggyboy

Wishface

How would you finance this then? If everyone can just walk out of there job when they want. We would all be walking out and who would then pay the taxes to raise the benefits needed to pay these people. Ideology is great but someone always has to pay.

wishface

citizens wage.