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Lost my JSA
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Oldernotwiser wrote: »Can you not see the contradiction in those two statements?
Using foodstamps would mean having to pay to print them, get every single food shop in the UK to accept them (otherwise what's the point) and then have a scheme whereby retailers get redemption for accepting them. Is that simpler than just paying people benefit? Are people so against the welfare state they'd rather see a needless and expensive bureacracy installed?0 -
mvengemvenge wrote: »What on earth are you talking about? How can anyone on handouts be 'independent'? It always makes me laugh when I see hippy-types living out in the country, wanting to be free of society......as long as society gives them a giro every two weeks :rolleyes:
Every single person who comes on here explaining the rules of benefits, you jump down their throats, for being 'judgemental', yet you can't see that you are just as judgemental of them. You can't accept that often, an OP words their opening post in such a way that it shows either a reluctance to accept the benefit rules (because they are different) or is obviously looking for a way around the rules in some way. Would you care to explain exactly why you defend every single one of these OP's? Has your local jobcentre made you mad by expecting you to look for work for your JOB-SEEKERS Allowance at some point?
Where did i mention these so called 'hippy types' or anyone living like that?
Do you have anything sensible or of substance to add or are you merely engaging me with pointless noise based on you taking what i say and turning it around the way little kids do?
I don't claim JSA.
I don't defend 'every single' poster. I question the beliefs of judgemental people who have no idea what they are talking and cannot see where their beliefs fail. Let me ask again: if the OP isn't entitled to benefit because he quit his job (and conveniently we'll ignore the reasons why which, for all you know, may be entirely valid) what should he do? Should he just die in the gutter then? If you are going to criticise me, thena t least put forward some kind of argument.0 -
Where did i mention these so called 'hippy types' or anyone living like that?
Do you have anything sensible or of substance to add or are you merely engaging me with pointless noise based on you taking what i say and turning it around the way little kids do?
I don't claim JSA.
I don't defend 'every single' poster. I question the beliefs of judgemental people who have no idea what they are talking and cannot see where their beliefs fail. Let me ask again: if the OP isn't entitled to benefit because he quit his job (and conveniently we'll ignore the reasons why which, for all you know, may be entirely valid) what should he do? Should he just die in the gutter then? If you are going to criticise me, thena t least put forward some kind of argument.
Well, as you bring up the original post, let's look at it...
The OP stated that he lied about why he gave up his job...you support lying to get benefits, I assume, as you defend him?
Secondly he shows his prejudice by implying graduates should be treated differently to other people. Why? Do you agree with him on that too? When a graduate signs-on, they are not special. They are unemployed, and expected to look for any job, the same as everyone else. They've been to university, great, but that was their choice, it doesn't mean that when they return to the real world that society's rules don't apply to them.
I only mentioned hippy-types as an example, didn't relate it to this OP.
You "question the beliefs of judgemental people who have no idea what they are talking"? Who is being judgemental there? The fact that you can't see that you are pre-judging people yourself and then throwing accusations at them just convinces me you are just trolling here and nothing else. How do you know what I know? How do you know I have no idea what I am talking about, or anyone else on this thread?Fokking Fokk!0 -
Its disgusting how they expect people to live on zilch. Ok you hated the job and maybe you should have thought before you jacked it in but we've all been there. Are you entitled to income support if you have no other income to live on. I would certainly check your options out at CAB or have they all been shut down now? Its amazing really cannot believe some of the posters on here. They have a dig about funding your uni when they know zilch about how it was funded. What about all the "single parents" that arent and get mega bucks off tax payers. How do they manage to get pregnant so often if they are single then? Did the stork drop by? lmao I have yet to see a scruffy single parent or child and don't they have nice homes leat her sofas and huge tvs.0
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mvengemvenge wrote: »Well, as you bring up the original post, let's look at it...
The OP stated that he lied about why he gave up his job...you support lying to get benefits, I assume, as you defend him?
Secondly he shows his prejudice by implying graduates should be treated differently to other people. Why? Do you agree with him on that too? When a graduate signs-on, they are not special. They are unemployed, and expected to look for any job, the same as everyone else. They've been to university, great, but that was their choice, it doesn't mean that when they return to the real world that society's rules don't apply to them.
I only mentioned hippy-types as an example, didn't relate it to this OP.
You "question the beliefs of judgemental people who have no idea what they are talking"? Who is being judgemental there? The fact that you can't see that you are pre-judging people yourself and then throwing accusations at them just convinces me you are just trolling here and nothing else. How do you know what I know? How do you know I have no idea what I am talking about, or anyone else on this thread?
you clearly don't feel he is entitled to claim anything. that's a ridiculous position to put someone in. yet the only way you can back that up is to rregard the OP as if they were a naughty schoolkid, with some kind of 'teach them a lessoin' mentality.
none of this addresses how they are supposed to then support themselves. so what do you suggest happens to people who can't claim benefit? answer the question.0 -
so, for the umpteenth time of asking, what is your solution?
you clearly don't feel he is entitled to claim anything. that's a ridiculous position to put someone in. yet the only way you can back that up is to rregard the OP as if they were a naughty schoolkid, with some kind of 'teach them a lessoin' mentality.
none of this addresses how they are supposed to then support themselves. so what do you suggest happens to people who can't claim benefit? answer the question.
Simple - If this happens enough times - people will start realising they can't just leave a job and expect the rest of us to support them. This IS the solution. Benefits are there for people who through no fault of their own, need help. Those are the rules. They aren't there for the fun of it.
RE the highligted bit above. WE didn't put the OP in that situation. He did it himself. People in todays society need to learn to take responsibility for their actions. It's always someone elses fault these days. Accountability - look it up
SK xAfter 4 years of heartache, 3 rounds of IVF and 1 loss :A - we are finally expecting our miracle Ki11en - May 2014 :j
And a VERY surprise miracle in March 2017!0 -
Those two statements are not contradictory. People who work are given money (by their employer). does that mean they can't be independent either?
People who work EARN money and are independent; people who are on benefits are dependent on the state. It's not a difficult concept to understand!0 -
dirtyflannel wrote: »They have a dig about funding your uni when they know zilch about how it was funded.
I've been an adviser in education for years; I know perfectly well how HE is funded!0 -
Simple - If this happens enough times - people will start realising they can't just leave a job and expect the rest of us to support them. This IS the solution. Benefits are there for people who through no fault of their own, need help. Those are the rules. They aren't there for the fun of it.
RE the highligted bit above. WE didn't put the OP in that situation. He did it himself. People in todays society need to learn to take responsibility for their actions. It's always someone elses fault these days. Accountability - look it up
SK x
You sit in judgement from a position of relative ease but offer no answer to the question except more of the same right wing nonsense.
This has nothing to do with responsibility. If you make someone destitute; if you deprive them of the means to support themselves then, in all probability, you are saddling society with an even greater cost in the long run as such people are more likely to turn to crime - for which you will no doubt chastise them further.
Too much hig minded nonsense moralising from middle england; that's the problem with this country. Not someone who quit a job. The way people react you'd think he'd personally stlen your savings!0 -
Oldernotwiser wrote: »People who work EARN money and are independent; people who are on benefits are dependent on the state. It's not a difficult concept to understand!0
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