MSE Pregnancy Club XIII

aless02

Sugar - what annoys me the most is he's a MAN and all the research in the world could not possibly give him an accurate perception of motherhood.

aless02

jillie - my best advice is as it nears less than 5 minutes remaining, refresh often to make sure you stay the highest bidder! Most (me included) don't bid until the very last minute so you have to stay on top of it to make someone else doesn't sneak in there!

mountainlioness

Sugar - can't comment on those specific quotes as he didn't say anything like that on the radio this morning - he focused very much on the medical side of things (as I suspect the original journal article did).

I agree with what you say. BUT surely just because we disagree with comments he's made extrapolating from the research doesn't mean that we should disregard everything he has said and pillory him (just read the comments following the DM article) The problem with the extreme reaction the reporting in the DM has caused is that is completely undermines the capacity of any substance in this man's findings to get through. The strength of the Radio 4 interview, with the two interviewees, is that it exposed a worthwhile debate about the approaches to care of women during labour without being distracted by his less helpful comments on bonding/rite of passage etc etc

workinmummy

Glamazon wrote: »

Wash the new ones as well. You don't know whether they have been - dirty factories, lorries, shop floors etc.

Yep, and check the labels for any of those round inspection stickers that are stuck to them. And take them off, baby with stickers on it, is not agood look, especially infront of HV or midwife

jillie1974

woo hoo!!
won my first bid
lets hope seller is ok with the price.
fingers crossed!!

mountainlioness

Aless - am not sure that's material on the medical argument side of things (it is on the comments on rite of passage etc). He is an experienced midwife and researcher and surely is entitled to write peer-reviewed articles based on research? Otherwise you would have to start excluding women without children!

I'm not defending HIM but the right of people to publish their research findings and have them subject to fair, informed and open debate. IMO the DM article is shocking journalism and not in the slightest bit helpful for women facing labour choices.

We may object to value judgements he makes on the basis of that research but that doesn't make the research itself invalid, whoever conducted it.

aless02

Nono, ml, I agree with that completely. Sorry, that was poorly worded since of course that sort of argument could extend to almost any and everything. It's more the rite-of-passage and some of his more theoretical comments that I take issue with. The angle the media has taken is annoying, but I'm sure the actual article itself is probably more well-rounded and sound considering it's been properly published in a peer-reviewed journal. I think I take issue with his more anthropological findings, since he's NOT an anthropologist and medical findings do not equal social findings in any way.

The BBC has an article now, too, on its front page which is a bit better than the DM one.

tiamai_d

got-it-spend-it wrote: »

Tia- I would feel like you too in your position so don't blame you at all. Another gorgeous dress- is it the same as another you bought but in another colour?
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Yes, I got the same one in jade. Only difference is that this one has had the pleats washed out, but I can iron them back in.

Hypno, call your mw even if it is a small clot. You could be bleeding internally and that uses up the clotting factors in your blood (hence it is so dangerous). Please?

Congratulation on being viable Karen!!!

Aless, I have used the 4head stick in this pregnancy and the last for headaches. It seems to help me a lot, and I can't find anything to suggest that it's bad for baby (would be quite something for it to travel from my head to my womb after all).

Nicki, a cleaner sounds like a great idea! Hope you get some energy back it's pants being tired all the time and having disapointed kids. But it's not forever!

Finish early Glam, I'm 33 weeks and shattered and heavy. *peer pressure* hehe!

Good luck Jullie!!! seller has to be ok with the price thats the whole point!

jillie1974

ooh. big bumdle i bid for suddenly disappeared. but doesnt say i was outbid. could seller withdraw it cos the bids were not high enough?

i was too impatient lol!!

2 wins!!

lets hope i get the clothes!

aless02

thanks tia - I hadn't thought of 4head!! Better than popping paracetamol and is all natural. Will probably pick some up for future headaches.