Advice re Objecting to new housing Estate

Hugbubble

The_Old_Bag wrote: »

If there is such a shortage of affordable housing in your area, why don't these people move to where there is affordable housing ?

Why should people who were born and bred in a place have to move just because people like you who moved into the (beautiful, picturesque) area in which they live priced them out of the housing market, and then complained about new houses being built which might spoil your country idyll?

The_Old_Bag

Hugbubble wrote: »

Why should people who were born and bred in a place have to move just because people like you who moved into the (beautiful, picturesque) area in which they live priced them out of the housing market, and then complained about new houses being built which might spoil your country idyll?

Gosh, Ground hog day or what....:eek:

1)Post 21:- "I never said I had been born in the village, nor that I have lived here 6 weeks.
I never said that only "country folk" should live in a village, nor that you have to own a tractor before the vicar will marry you.
I certainly never said that anyone should be denied housing, be they local and young or city-dwellers and old"

2) Post 42:- "I never said my village was picturesque - far from it, too many unattractive youths ( like mine and their mates) hanging round the streets, and too much higgeldy-piggeldy building going on everywhere."

3) Country Idyll. Next time I will definitely ask Jeeves. Much less time consuming than keep repeating myself......
I think the only reference I made to a Country Idyll was this - if I am wrong I have no doubt half a dozen others will be along to point out my mistake.
Post 30:- "Why should some little old couple have their retirement idyll overshadowed by a 30 foot mobile phone mast at the bottom of the garden, just because you want a better phone reception ?"
Again, can I stress my village is neither picturesque nor an idyll.

On a high 'cos just got back with LOADS of info.
If nothing else it is very educational.;)
Cannot believe how developers speak can turn hundreds of new houses and at least double that of cars (per their own calculations) as meeting Gov guidelines re Green Issues and encouraging walking and cycling, and NOT using private cars !!

Apparently (and I quote) they are building "an appealing place to live, work and play"
Well, there is only houses, so where is the places to work going to come ??

"A masterpiece ( modest or what ?!) which protects and enhances the sites existing visual amenities......enhances the biodiversity of the site within a new green infrastructure" - now just remember they are building a housing site ( inc 3 storey houses) on agricultural land which currently has dozens of oak, ash, elm and sycamore trees - some with preservation orders on them.
They say they will retain most of these trees - where possible of course :cool:

Cannot stay, I am busy, busy, busy.....:wave:

p.s if you read post 52 Hugbubble I think that will explain exactly what I meant - or maybe not !!
p.p.s If anyone else is happy for their back yard biodiversity to be enhanced, let me have your post code and I will pass it on to the developers.:D

jack_spratt_2

Hugbubble wrote: »

Why should people who were born and bred in a place have to move just because people like you who moved into the (beautiful, picturesque) area in which they live priced them out of the housing market, and then complained about new houses being built which might spoil your country idyll?

Why do you get the idea that everyone who objects to a planning proposal are new residents to the area and are wanting to protect there little haven??

That is not always the case many times its people who are born and bred locally and have seen how other villages have gone and want to protect it !!

withabix

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8111736.stm

Just to repeat the question that Old Bag has so far ignored:

Where do you suggest they build the 10,000 rural homes that are needed in the next ten years to meet the affordable housing need?

Not in your back yard perhaps?

Before you suggest that they are not all affordable homes, remember that the building of these houses will enable other residents to move into larger houses, resulting in existing affordable houses to become available.

By the way, the definition of NIMBY would include objecting to the houses being built before looking for a reason to object. This is exactly what the OP is doing.

Hugbubble

The_Old_Bag wrote: »

Gosh, Ground hog day or what....:eek:

p.s if you read post 52 Hugbubble I think that will explain exactly what I meant - or maybe not !!
.:D

Actually I think you missed my point which was in reference to your comment (in post 42) that the Cornish homeless should move if they can't find affordable housing. I find it incredibly insulting- as some one from Cornwall (alas not living there at the moment)- that you can say something so mindless in response to someone pointing out that people from the country (any countryside TBH although we were talking about Cornwall) are being priced out of their own area (presumably by people like you)

Hugbubble

jack_spratt wrote: »

Why do you get the idea that everyone who objects to a planning proposal are new residents to the area and are wanting to protect there little haven??

That is not always the case many times its people who are born and bred locally and have seen how other villages have gone and want to protect it !!

Actually I don't have that idea at all. My comment was in response to TOB (post 42) stating that the Cornish homeless should move if they can't find affordable housing in their local area

The_Old_Bag

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/country--garden-bring-back-flood-plains--to-stop-flooding-1123761.html
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/archive/1228625.stm

I love the way AFTER the houses were flooded the differing agencies were blaming each other....and no one apparently taking any responsibility;)

and this one from 2000 !!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/house-building-on-flood-plains-must-be-curbed-say-mps-626962.html

jack_spratt_2

withabix wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8111736.stm

Just to repeat the question that Old Bag has so far ignored:

Where do you suggest they build the 10,000 rural homes that are needed in the next ten years to meet the affordable housing need?

Not in your back yard perhaps?

Before you suggest that they are not all affordable homes, remember that the building of these houses will enable other residents to move into larger houses, resulting in existing affordable houses to become available.

There is nothing the matter in building 10,000 rural homes as long as its done within the development plans and is sympathetic to the area and that is a matter for council planners to decide not you .
A person has a right to object !!full stop.
Housing associations are now building more and more low cost housing for local people

Hugbubble

The_Old_Bag wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/country--garden-bring-back-flood-plains--to-stop-flooding-1123761.html
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/archive/1228625.stm

I love the way AFTER the houses were flooded the differing agencies were blaming each other....and no one apparently taking any responsibility;)

and this one from 2000 !!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/house-building-on-flood-plains-must-be-curbed-say-mps-626962.html

Is your area a flood plain? If not, I fail to see the relevance.

Totally agree with previous points about your right to object to a local planning permission application (BTW I find it surprising that you haven't had a letter about it- that has certainly been my experience in the past with developments near where i live).

However, your motivations seem unclear & confused, and the use of irrelevant, unconnected arguments in response to the valid points raised by some other posts is not doing you any favours

The_Old_Bag

Hugbubble......
Post 42 as you requested !!

The_Old_Bag wrote: »

Thanks Cknocker for the constructive reply - which I don't mind in the least.
I entirely understand your position, but....
...why would building a few hundred houses miles away (50, 150, 250, 350 - makes no difference) make things better for them ?? - meaning the people in Cornwall, whom Cknocker had said could not afford houses, and were on ever growing council house waiting lists.

I would never say they should move - the whole point of the arguement was exactly that.
If people in Cornwall need more houses to be built, what is the point building them somewhere else ???
The people in Cornwall need houses in Cornwall. People in the Outer Hebrides need houses there, not in Cardiff.....so how does building hundreds of houses in my village help either those people in Cornwall or the Hebrides ???

With regard to Withabix (Hi there:hello:)and post 62
If the people in the Yorkshire Dales need housing.....why don't they build it in the Yorkshire dales ?
If the people in the New Forest need housing, why is it not built in their area.?
Why will adding another suburb to Birmingham help the homeless in Suffolk ??

And I haven't ignored the question...
I have been quite amenable I think.
If you and others are happy to have the now 10,000 houses required in your back yard - I will pass your locations on.
My personal opinion is ( as stated above) I would have thought it would have made better sense to spread the building around the country - both urban and rural, and put it where it is needed !
It doesn't seem like rocket science to me.
If my village needs 5 house this year, and 20 in 5 years, and 30 in another 5 years, that is fine.
But if Warwick needs 300 next year, why the hell build them in Hull this year ??

Cknocker says he lives in one of the biggest Towns in Cornwall - and he implies they have a serious housing shortage.
So per his link," as part of our £8.4bn investment in affordable housing, we are aiming to build more than 10,000 homes in the smallest rural communities over the next three years to meet affordable housing need."

Now as Hugbubble and others have taken such offence when they thought I was suggesting the homeless of Cornwall move......

If the people in the biggest town in Cornwall needs houses, and the Gov are planning to build thousands of houses in the smallest villages around the country......how in heavens name does that help anyone ????????

p.s Hugbubble, I never asked for favours, just information about Planning applications and objecting.
If I had known it would kick off this much I would have tried resurrecting the Tesco R&R thread;)
Apologies to anyone who actually bothers opening this thread to find any information out. There are some valuable nuggets in here, promise, but you may have to wade through a lot of other trivia - and a lot of repeated trivia