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Beaver subs double Brownies
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First things first, you havent said whether the terms and sessions are the same length which will alter the maths (but I'd imagine it is).
The main potential difference is census/capitation. These are the fees paid to the central organisation to cover insurance among other things, and at charged/paid per member. Guide groups generally charge the parents when the bill comes though (i.e. its on top of the subs), Scout groups try to factor it in the weekly/termly subs. But thats just my experience. I also do not know the relative costs.
You presume that the beavers and the rainbows are charged the same for the use of the hall. And it could be something as simple as the rainbows/guides are better at raising other money than the beavers/scouts. In short you'll need to ask the respective leaders why.0 -
The main potential difference is census/capitation. These are the fees paid to the central organisation to cover insurance among other things, and at charged/paid per member. Guide groups generally charge the parents when the bill comes though (i.e. its on top of the subs), Scout groups try to factor it in the weekly/termly subs. But thats just my experience. I also do not know the relative costs.
Thanks whitfreak, that's exactly what I was trying to get at in my earlier postAccept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0 -
Just because it's a charity and not run for profit it doesn't mean that leaders are paid expenses or a wage.0
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My brownies pay £1.50 a week but that is very tight (an may well have to increase to £2.00), let me just give you a break down of the costs. our hall hire is £8 per week, our census (which comes from subs is £20 per brownie per year), activities; this varies, this week we will be making little bags and the cost for the entire group is £25, badges can range from 35p each to £1.00 each. Not to mention all the printer ink, paper, things that I just use that I don't claim for. The money is all well used.
I wouldn't want anyone to think of us as childcare but consider the cost of childcare and then consider how much brownies, cubs etc charge it is considerably less.2009 wins: Cadburys Chocolate Pack x 6, Sally Hansen Hand cream, Ipod nano! mothers day meal at Toby Carvery! :j :j :j :j0 -
The group leaders in Beavers, cubs & scouts are NOT paid anything for the time and effort they put in, and I for one am very grateful to them, giving my son opportunities to take part in activities, and learn things that we couldn't do on our own.
Altho they can claim back expenses for things like petrol, in my experience many of them don't, so the group gets extra subsidy from the leader's own pockets.
In May my son went to the Nottinghamshire Scouts county camp. We paid just £40, for 3 days & nights of activities including kayaking and archery, food (and some of the leaders spouses pitched in cooked/made sarnies etc), education, and real care (including comforting my little boy who got homesick at 11:30 pm, and cleaning up a kid who got an attack of diahorrea at 4:00 a.m.).
The leaders (working people with families of their own) gave up a bank holiday weekend to take these boys and girls to camp.
I think it's a bit churlish to complain about the funds they ask for, to keep these resources available.I try not to get too stressed out on the forum. I won't argue, i'll just leave a thread if you don't like what I say.0 -
Guiding Leaders are not paid either. We can claim expenses but usually don'tFat and proud lol0
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Guiding Leaders are not paid either. We can claim expenses but usually don't
Oh sorry, didn't mean to imply that Guide/Brownie leaders do get paid, of course they don't either.I try not to get too stressed out on the forum. I won't argue, i'll just leave a thread if you don't like what I say.0 -
Caroline73 wrote: »Just because it's a charity and not run for profit it doesn't mean that leaders are paid expenses or a wage.Little miracle born April 2012, 33 weeks gestation and a little toughie!0
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Yeah got to stand up for us! We definitely don't get paid we do it for the love of it (some weeks!).
I do claim back the things I buy for Brownies; I and most of our helpers are students; but like someone else said, never for printer paper, ink, etc etc, and of course you have to consider the preparation time for everything!
Our subs are £17 a term and do include Census in that.
I've just looked at the website for the scouts which meet in the same place as us and their weekly subs are £2, including capitation and don't seem to include camps etc, like us. So it is a bit more, especially since their meetings are only 1 hour, ours are 1.5. But, they presumably don't pay for weeks kids are not at the meeting, whereas my girls do.
One thing might be, that the Brownies are clued in about claiming Gift Aid back from HMRC, and the Beavers are not. That can come to quite a lot over the course of a year. If that is the case, the Beavers really should be claiming it back; it isn't hard.
I also can imagine that insurance for the Scout organisation may be more than for Guiding. They do seem to do more adventurous activities.0 -
My lil boy goes to Beavers and it costs us £18 a term.0
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