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Beaver subs double Brownies

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  • whitfreak
    whitfreak Posts: 276 Forumite
    First things first, you havent said whether the terms and sessions are the same length which will alter the maths (but I'd imagine it is).

    The main potential difference is census/capitation. These are the fees paid to the central organisation to cover insurance among other things, and at charged/paid per member. Guide groups generally charge the parents when the bill comes though (i.e. its on top of the subs), Scout groups try to factor it in the weekly/termly subs. But thats just my experience. I also do not know the relative costs.

    You presume that the beavers and the rainbows are charged the same for the use of the hall. And it could be something as simple as the rainbows/guides are better at raising other money than the beavers/scouts. In short you'll need to ask the respective leaders why.
  • peachyprice
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    whitfreak wrote: »
    The main potential difference is census/capitation. These are the fees paid to the central organisation to cover insurance among other things, and at charged/paid per member. Guide groups generally charge the parents when the bill comes though (i.e. its on top of the subs), Scout groups try to factor it in the weekly/termly subs. But thats just my experience. I also do not know the relative costs.


    Thanks whitfreak, that's exactly what I was trying to get at in my earlier post :D
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  • Caroline73_2
    Caroline73_2 Posts: 2,654 Forumite
    Just because it's a charity and not run for profit it doesn't mean that leaders are paid expenses or a wage.
  • dieselhead
    dieselhead Posts: 599 Forumite
    My brownies pay £1.50 a week but that is very tight (an may well have to increase to £2.00), let me just give you a break down of the costs. our hall hire is £8 per week, our census (which comes from subs is £20 per brownie per year), activities; this varies, this week we will be making little bags and the cost for the entire group is £25, badges can range from 35p each to £1.00 each. Not to mention all the printer ink, paper, things that I just use that I don't claim for. The money is all well used.

    I wouldn't want anyone to think of us as childcare but consider the cost of childcare and then consider how much brownies, cubs etc charge it is considerably less.
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  • easy
    easy Posts: 2,532 Forumite
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    edited 17 June 2009 at 12:37PM
    The group leaders in Beavers, cubs & scouts are NOT paid anything for the time and effort they put in, and I for one am very grateful to them, giving my son opportunities to take part in activities, and learn things that we couldn't do on our own.

    Altho they can claim back expenses for things like petrol, in my experience many of them don't, so the group gets extra subsidy from the leader's own pockets.

    In May my son went to the Nottinghamshire Scouts county camp. We paid just £40, for 3 days & nights of activities including kayaking and archery, food (and some of the leaders spouses pitched in cooked/made sarnies etc), education, and real care (including comforting my little boy who got homesick at 11:30 pm, and cleaning up a kid who got an attack of diahorrea at 4:00 a.m.).

    The leaders (working people with families of their own) gave up a bank holiday weekend to take these boys and girls to camp.
    I think it's a bit churlish to complain about the funds they ask for, to keep these resources available.
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  • djtonyb
    djtonyb Posts: 629 Forumite
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    Guiding Leaders are not paid either. We can claim expenses but usually don't
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  • easy
    easy Posts: 2,532 Forumite
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    djtonyb wrote: »
    Guiding Leaders are not paid either. We can claim expenses but usually don't


    Oh sorry, didn't mean to imply that Guide/Brownie leaders do get paid, of course they don't either.
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  • dizziblonde
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    Caroline73 wrote: »
    Just because it's a charity and not run for profit it doesn't mean that leaders are paid expenses or a wage.
    I have family members closely involved in guiding, who run brownie units in various locations - the leaders are not paid for what they do, they can claim expenses, but, as is the case for most people who are involved in things involving children - most tend to take up the bulk of their expenses themselves so that the money available is used for the children, and take the hit to their pockets themselves. It's the same for Beavers as a comparison - my mother used to run the local Beaver group and again, did so voluntarily when their previous leader left so that the group didn't dissolve and the boys still had somewhere to go to. As for claiming expenses - if you've got an issue with that then you don't deserve to have these things available for kids really. I've seen just how many hours people put into these organizations (I've been up at 3am sewing things ready for a crafting session for a relative's group myself), I've seen just how much people put in from their own pockets to keep groups going - are they meant to just constantly subsidize a voluntary organization endlessly out of their own income?
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  • morg_monster
    morg_monster Posts: 2,392 Forumite
    Yeah got to stand up for us! We definitely don't get paid we do it for the love of it (some weeks!).
    I do claim back the things I buy for Brownies; I and most of our helpers are students; but like someone else said, never for printer paper, ink, etc etc, and of course you have to consider the preparation time for everything!

    Our subs are £17 a term and do include Census in that.
    I've just looked at the website for the scouts which meet in the same place as us and their weekly subs are £2, including capitation and don't seem to include camps etc, like us. So it is a bit more, especially since their meetings are only 1 hour, ours are 1.5. But, they presumably don't pay for weeks kids are not at the meeting, whereas my girls do.

    One thing might be, that the Brownies are clued in about claiming Gift Aid back from HMRC, and the Beavers are not. That can come to quite a lot over the course of a year. If that is the case, the Beavers really should be claiming it back; it isn't hard.
    I also can imagine that insurance for the Scout organisation may be more than for Guiding. They do seem to do more adventurous activities.
  • ncsmummy
    ncsmummy Posts: 450 Forumite
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    My lil boy goes to Beavers and it costs us £18 a term.
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