Granite Worktops - Truth, Lies and misinformation

docdan

Here's one for everyone to think about why does ONE PERSON keep recommending his regular customers to people when he states on his fist post that he's not here to promote his business ??
seems the more of his customers he recommends the more business he get s

OR AM I JUST BEING CYNICAL ??

docdan

ITS EASY TO FIND A SUPPLIER IN YOUR AREA
just type in google granite fitters, granite worktops, granite suppliers. followed by your area !

simples as they say on some sites

docdan

Another thing ive read recently on here is that you cannot get the same workmanship/quality with out a CNC !

ok i understand that someone may have paid up to £100,000 for their CNC
But i ask you where did the CNC originate from ??
wasn't it from manual X&y axis machines which were used in the industry & still are in some larger machine shops !
Don't some of the larger ones also use flex setups for drainer grooves ??

seems some on here have forgotten about the FPS1000 machines & the FPS1600's too
so if the onsite guys are using these machines why do all the granite company representatives on here slate them so badly >
is it because they can undercut you on price ???? even using the same suppliers for the stone both precut blanks & scant !!
as i cannot post with a link due to being a newbie try the address below for a pic of onsite sink machining
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cyclonebri1

docdan wrote: »

ok i understand that someone may have paid up to £100,000 for their CNC
But i ask you where did the CNC originate from ??
wasn't it from manual X&y axis machines which were used in the industry & still are in some larger machine shops !
Don't some of the larger ones also use flex setups for drainer grooves ??

seems some on here have forgotten about the FPS1000 machines & the FPS1600's too
so if the onsite guys are using these machines why do all the granite company representatives on here slate them so badly >
is it because they can undercut you on price ???? even using the same suppliers for the stone both precut blanks & scant !!
as i cannot post with a link due to being a newbie try the address below for a pic of onsite sink machining
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Just fell of mi perch chap, you can do better with a hammer and chisel then I supose???, OFFS.

And you say "all the granite reps on here", just who are you talking about? the only chap that is by open admission ALAN, has put his cards on the table and has simply recomended known suppliers all over the country.

I have a suspicion that you are an onsite fitting company rep?, a disgruntled 1 at that, or do you have an alternative agenda, ,

I ask myself a question, whould I want my kitchen done in an up to date factory or in the back of a transit van on my wobbly drive in a sodding snow storm in mid December??

You can answer if you like??

docdan

How do cyclonebri1

No 'im not a onsite fitter as you seem to think i do however work for a company and use a cnc daily in the kitchen industry for running the mdf doors off before they are laminated so i do know what im talking about when it comes to what can & can't be done & what to expect !


And i do like to stand up for people whom tend to get shall we say shat on by the so called big boys !
maybe you are one of them but wont admit it iv'e suggested to the lads whom do the onsite fitting to register on here and put their case !
maybe they will maybe they won't .

I went with them as they were the most reasonably priced for a great quality granite . (yes i went to different supply yards to look at granite & had many quotes )
I'm also pretty sure they never needed or used a chisel , although i read thats how monuments used to be made !

I suggest to you that you don't try to knock them until you have tried them !
i do hope that they do find this forum and have a look see what is being said .

i suppose its like everything though there are some good and some bad in evert trade ,

the guy/gal whom posted the pictures on here of the granite they had fitted want to get back in touch with the company and ask them to come back and fit the sinks properly they look like they might fall out when full of water !

JUST HAD A LOOK BACK OOOPPPSSS THAT WAS YOU i also notice a machining line on 1 of your front edges!! so much for off site machining take a look yourself !

cyclonebri1

docdan wrote: »

How do cyclonebri1

No 'im not a onsite fitter as you seem to think i do however work for a company and use a cnc daily in the kitchen industry for running the mdf doors off before they are laminated so i do know what im talking about when it comes to what can & can't be done & what to expect !


And i do like to stand up for people whom tend to get shall we say shat on by the so called big boys !
maybe you are one of them but wont admit it iv'e suggested to the lads whom do the onsite fitting to register on here and put their case !
maybe they will maybe they won't .

I went with them as they were the most reasonably priced for a great quality granite . (yes i went to different supply yards to look at granite & had many quotes )
I'm also pretty sure they never needed or used a chisel , although i read thats how monuments used to be made !

I suggest to you that you don't try to knock them until you have tried them !
i do hope that they do find this forum and have a look see what is being said .

i suppose its like everything though there are some good and some bad in evert trade ,

the guy/gal whom posted the pictures on here of the granite they had fitted want to get back in touch with the company and ask them to come back and fit the sinks properly they look like they might fall out when full of water !

JUST HAD A LOOK BACK OOOPPPSSS THAT WAS YOU i also notice a machining line on 1 of your front edges!! so much for off site machining take a look yourself !

Yep, that was me, a retired chief engineer with a lifetime in engineering at all levels and conversant with CNC maching from it's onset, just so you have a little background.

A few pointers if you will.

It was Alan, the guy I assume you are trying to shoot down, who stood up in defence of online fitters when I suggested those whose work I had seen were clearly 2nd best. He countered with something to the effect that "there are some quality companies of this type about", or words to that effect, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that all these granite reps have a downer on onsite fitting. I have for the reasons I've detailed.

The edges were machined to the spec I gave the company and are perfect with no run out and not a single chip, the joints are the closest I have seen and are all 100% flush. The overlapof granite to sink was also to my spec as I wanted to be able to leave the max sealant joint for added water tightness.

"The sink may fall out when full of water"???:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I mentioned in an earlier post before I had these delivered that there was an issue delaying things.

With your expert eye can you detect that the sinks were infact once 1 sink?, thought not. The company I employed would not guarantee the fitment with the sink I had chosen as the cutout at 800mm x 400mm was considered too great, In their words "Our CNC man gets the final say as to what goes so...." Perfectly agrreable to me.

So, I actually cut the single sink into 2 separate units and moved them apart by about 200mm.
3 x 2 timbers were then fitted from front to back and side to side under each sink edge, each sink being fitted in a different base cabinet, each cabinet after being levelled was blocked at the base with the same heavy timber, not just the screwy crappy adjustable feet that come with the units.
And as for the sink itself, that was the heaviest grade stainless that I could obtain, about .4mm heavier than the rest.

So maybe you find your comments a little well less founded now??, or at least needn't worry undully on my behalf.;);)

I have personally found Alans advice to be genuine and as far as I can detect unbiased, so far you seem to be the only one with issues, but then then again with your insight...........:T
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Anne3333

I too have found Alan M to be most informative, interesting and genuine. Since starting this thread over two and a half years ago, he is still coming back to assist people. It is people like Alan that make this site the success it is.

disney_cjd

Well according the Sumphony kitchens its normal for the area between the two sinks to be stained beyond belief with water marks even though they say its seal properly which I say is, well unprintable words! The Star Galaxy is lovely, just now that two inch piece between the half na dwhole sink is disgusting.

Symphony are useless but we had no choice Wimpey picked them.

cyclonebri1

disney_cjd wrote: »

Well according the Sumphony kitchens its normal for the area between the two sinks to be stained beyond belief with water marks even though they say its seal properly which I say is, well unprintable words! The Star Galaxy is lovely, just now that two inch piece between the half na dwhole sink is disgusting.

Symphony are useless but we had no choice Wimpey picked them.

So someone else made your descision?. Symp/Sump who care's. they were not your choice, but that is not the issue, armed with the info in this thread do you think you could have made an educated decision as to which kitchen surface you would have chosen??


Yes of course you would/could have, :T

It is innevitable, infact it has to be accepted that the area around sinks will get stained. Or to put it another way is innevitable, inf.........

Well YES, I'm coming from a position that if my wortop stained, then I honestly think I wouldn't see it, if I did I would counter the stains with camouflage ones,

I don't understand what the disgusting stains are? don't they just show a used and loved kitchen, moss and lichen on a natural material are considered desirable.

To expect a material to remain sealed is (way) optomistic, but it's far better than water busted chipboard or MDF

rosemary74

i ve installed granite worktops last november...my all friends charming by seeing that ..i came this forum and found this old thread.and yes buying and installation from a experience provider is good for house owner.