Please help if you can

BeenieCat

I agree, small fine at the most - it's not like he was driving with it.

I think the doorman was on a power trip that night - all he had to do was turn him away. Also considering the police didn't withhold the licence themselves i think that says a lot about the severity of the "crime"

mumtobe25

thank you both again i was thinking hopefully they will just see it as it was a silly mistake of someone trying to get into a club i may get him to call dvla and apply for a new one and see if they write to him regarding this matter altho hopefully they will leave it.

as he hasnt comitted the biggest crime but it scared him out of ever doing stuff like that again silly boy but thank you again ill get him to ring them tommorow

you settled my and his minds i was worried he would go to prison silly i know as he has never broken the law before and he was worried he would get banned from driving (again he has had one lesson!!) but thank you sometimes just writing it down and hearing other people saying about it helps

Fitzio

I think I would contact the DVLA and say the license is lost and can he apply for a new one. If the original turns up to them in the post, they have no way of proving it was your brother who altered it! If it was lost, anyone could have done it.

I am 99% sure that it's not worth the police's time pursuing it. As you say, if they thought it was in any way serious or had sinister intentions, they would have done something at the time.

mumtobe25

thank you all again ill get him to reapply for a licsense and at thr same time give him a slap round the head lol.

nottslass_2

As others have said the DVLA would need evidence that it was your brother who altered it - If anything, I would have thought that its the doorman who's in the wrong - what legal power does he have to "confiscate" property from a member of the public ? especially considering the police have obviously decided that No offence has been committed !!!!!

Like others have said,I'd just get him to apply for another one.

NAR

Why not go to the club, ask to see the manager, and request the return of the licence which his staff member had no right to keep.
I'm sure they turn a number of people away with false id, but do they take further action on their "documentation" - very much doubt it.
More likely the doorman did it to teach your brother a valuable lesson.

mandragora_2

NAR wrote: »

Why not go to the club, ask to see the manager, and request the return of the licence which his staff member had no right to keep.
I'm sure they turn a number of people away with false id, but do they take further action on their "documentation" - very much doubt it.
More likely the doorman did it to teach your brother a valuable lesson.

I'd agree with this - the doorman has no right to deprive your brother of his property - it is not his to take or keep. When teachers at school confiscate things from pupils they must act 'reasonably' - ie the item to be returned at the end of the day, or to parents if not appropriate to return to a child. This is exactly the same, in my view. If the doorman felt a 'crime'had been committed, then from what you said in your post, the police were there, and it would have been reasonable to expect him to turn the document over to them. To 'permanently deprive' your bro of his property is theft.

silvercar

Why not go to the club, ask to see the manager, and request the return of the licence which his staff member had no right to keep.

I agree. If you get no joy tell the manager you will be reporting the license as stolen to the DVLA. If the police didn't think it was worth confiscating, the doorman certainly doesn't have the powers.

Your son didn't drive with a fake licence; he had entitlement to drive. He tried to get entry to a club and failed - I can't see that any crime has been committed.

MrsTinks

Personally I think the doorman did exactly the right thing - sorry.
What surprises me is that the police did not confiscate it - they should have as it had been altered, I can only assume they were somewhat busy and felt that they had issues that were of a higher priority to address at the time. As to if the doorman legally had any right to confiscate it - I'll ask my neighbour next time I see him as he's a copper...
Hopefully they will only issue him a substancial fine and not anything harsher - although I guess it would certainly teach him not to do anything in the forging line again...

shell_girl

Just as a quick note- the paper part of a provisional license isn't acceptable proof of age anyway. The only valid forms of ID for entry into pubs and clubs etc is a full uk license with picture, passport or another official document that holds a picture.
This changed a few years ago. If the doorman had been a bit more on the ball re this legislation, he wouldn't even have looked at the date on the license- he'd have rejected it straight away.
I remember the good old days- getting into clubs with my older mates paper driving license- with her bank cards as back up to 'prove' who I was!
In terms of the doorman's right to confiscate it- I know that a lot of the doormen at the pub where I worked used to confiscate fake proof of age cards etc, because these were actually forgeries of legal documents, but I don't think they would have been allowed to confiscate a driving license or similar.