Kleeneze

Caroline73_2

steam_dan wrote: »

You know nothing about the circumstances of the people that have decided to do this. Have you stopped to think that they may have been made redundant and unable to find work elsewhere due to the current economic climate. Do you really want to ban catalogues through doors and deprive these people of perhaps the only opportunity they can find to support their families and keep a roof over their heads?

Why is this relevant? It doesn't make me anymore inclined to buy overpriced stuff I can get in Wilkinson's for half the price.

If Kleeneze were so sure that people can make money from it, why don't they give people the catalogues for free?

BargainGalore

What a load of garbage

Kleeneze dont give too hoots about you , all they care about is profit and to achieve that they get mugs like you to delivery there catalogues at a cost, and rip customers off with cheap rubbish that can 9/10 be bought much cheaper else where

If you need more dosh get a part time job. If you continue to do this, be prepared to loose even more money and get at most very little for such a large amount of effort and also get hostility against you from other householders

This company doesn't not help you get out of hole, 9/10 if anything it gets you into a deeper hole. MLM are immoral Martin doesn't like theses and as you said yourself is a MLM scheme

Get a real job For Christ sake or a real business, this is not a business you should be in

Hell they dont even care about there customers and in another thread on here one agent doesn't even recognize the SOGA



Originally Posted by steam dan
You know nothing about the circumstances of the people that have decided to do this. Have you stopped to think that they may have been made redundant and unable to find work elsewhere due to the current economic climate. Do you really want to ban catalogues through doors and deprive these people of perhaps the only opportunity they can find to support their families and keep a roof over their heads?

Jo_F

I used to do Kleeneze, I wasn't sucked in by the cheques, promises etc, I needed something that I could do from home, so I decided to give it a try.

I treated it as a business and knew that I wouldn't see much of a return in the beginning, so was rather surpised and pleased to turn a profit in the first month.

when delivering catalogues for the first time, I always included a note, introducing myself, and asking that if people were not interested, then to just let me know and I would make sure that i didn't deliver a catalogue to them again, but always left them with my number should they ever change their mind, something which some people did actually do.

In the three years that i did it, i managed to have a customer base of 450 customers, some ordered every time I went, some just every few months or so, and some had a regualar standing order with me. I did it on a 5 week cycle, so they knew when i would next be round, and I always went back when I said I would and delivered orders when I said I would, plus my customers knew that I was only at the end of the phone if there was a problem, or they needed something in between catalogue drops.

When I started there were another 3 distributors in the area, I had catalogues (and orders) stolen, and other such things, but as I worked hard on my customer service, I actually got my customers on side and they would let me know if someone else had collected my catalogues or whatever. I eventually ended up the only one in the area, and I stuck at it through bad weather and allsorts.

I eventually gave it up through personal reasons, nothing at all to do with Kleeneze and I was sorry to give it up, and judging by the cards I received from my customers they were sorry to see me go as well.

It can be hard work, and there are times when you really wonder why you bother, but the rewards for me were meeting lovely people, and the knowledge that it was upto me if I failed or succeeded.

If it is something that you want to do, then go ahead and do it, you won't get anywhere unless you put a lot into it. Yes you will come up against opposition for it (as you have found on here), but not everyone is like that.

And to the people that say it's a scam or whatever, you are entitiled to your opinion, but please, don't knock people for actually trying to do something for themselves, it's hard enough work without being knocked at every corner. You might not agree with it, fair enough, but some people do, and there is no need to shout them down. Personally I don't agree with people being traffic wardens, but it's their choice!

steam_dan

Thanks Jo for your words of support. People just don't understand that this is a wonderful business and are all too ready to knock it. I am not going to let the words of disapproval from a few people who would rather work for a slave boss for the rest of their lives than take control of their destiny. One of my neighbours told me that another neighbour had ordered something from me because they felt sorry for me like I was doing this out of sheer desperation. I started doing it because I wanted to earn an extra £50 a week, now I know that it can earn me a lot more I am going for it big time. My mentor is Gavin Scott, who I am sure you will have heard of if you have done it before, and the support that he has given me is fantastic. I am on the phone now signing up my first prospect. Fantastic! And before the cynics ask I have been straight with him and told him that it takes hard work and dedication to succeed in this business as it does with any other.

steam_dan

Thanks for your advice but I have some advice for you. Let people have their own aspirations and dreams and let them work towards it in whatever way they choose, so long as it is legal. I have noticed that of all the people on here who have stated that they think Kleeneze products are cheap tat have not cited one example from personal experience of a product that they have bought and discovered that they could of one of equal quality elsewhere. Neither have they expressed dissatisfaciton with anything that they have bought from Kleeneze. I can only assume that is because they think they are too posh to buy from a catalogue through their door and have no personal experience of the products themselves. I am not doing you any harm in what I am doing. I will succeed at this and I don't care how many people think that I am deluded to believe that. Some people thought that Columbus was deluded to think that the world was round but it's a good job he didn't beleive them and set out to prove them wrong. I will succeed and I will prove you all wrong.

BargainGalore wrote: »

What a load of garbage

Kleeneze dont give too hoots about you , all they care about is profit and to achieve that they get mugs like you to delivery there catalogues at a cost, and rip customers off with cheap rubbish that can 9/10 be bought much cheaper else where

If you need more dosh get a part time job. If you continue to do this, be prepared to loose even more money and get at most very little for such a large amount of effort and also get hostility against you from other householders

This company doesn't not help you get out of hole, 9/10 if anything it gets you into a deeper hole. MLM are immoral Martin doesn't like theses and as you said yourself is a MLM scheme

Get a real job For Christ sake or a real business, this is not a business you should be in

Hell they dont even care about there customers and in another thread on here one agent doesn't even recognize the SOGA



Originally Posted by steam dan
You know nothing about the circumstances of the people that have decided to do this. Have you stopped to think that they may have been made redundant and unable to find work elsewhere due to the current economic climate. Do you really want to ban catalogues through doors and deprive these people of perhaps the only opportunity they can find to support their families and keep a roof over their heads?

savemoney

Its not a wonderful business, mlm never are. Do you ever get Martin praising MLM? no, he doesn't, he doesn't even allow them on here. Its flawed business plan aimed at rewarding those at the top while those are the bottom have to work there socks off, and get new recruits all the time

Oh and review below he says "Some of the Kleeneze products (in my opinion) were not of high quality. Some were overpriced"

Just what I was saying and I think others were too. I have seen the cack you sell, it can be much cheaper else where so Kleeneze are ripping people off and exploiting many, not a ethical company one bit

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Kleeneze_Catalogue__Review_5615673

Advantages:
You can make money if you work really, really hard . Disadvantages:
You can easily loose money !
Recommendable: No

steam_dan wrote: »

Thanks Jo for your words of support. People just don't understand that this is a wonderful business and are all too ready to knock it. I am not going to let the words of disapproval from a few people who would rather work for a slave boss for the rest of their lives than take control of their destiny. One of my neighbours told me that another neighbour had ordered something from me because they felt sorry for me like I was doing this out of sheer desperation. I started doing it because I wanted to earn an extra £50 a week, now I know that it can earn me a lot more I am going for it big time. My mentor is Gavin Scott, who I am sure you will have heard of if you have done it before, and the support that he has given me is fantastic. I am on the phone now signing up my first prospect. Fantastic! And before the cynics ask I have been straight with him and told him that it takes hard work and dedication to succeed in this business as it does with any other.

Jo_F

Can I just say, I never recruited one person into Kleeneze, and I was never pushed to do so, (the support was there if I needed/wanted it) all that I earned, I earned with my own work. I don't have all the figures to hand at the moment (they are all filed away in the loft, should the Taxman ever want to see them), but I was doing ok out of it.

Yes it is hard work, and yes you do run out of radiator space trying to defrost frozen catalogues, or trying to dry them out, and yes you do get foot sore if you do it by foot (as I did), and there are weeks when you look at your figures and wonder why you bother. Yes you can lose money, But there are ups to it.

I used to buy catalogues 2 or 3times a year, I alsway started the new year with new ones, and just ran with them until usually about summer time, If I was running low (and you tend not to run that low when you are delivering them to your customer base) then I used to get around 100 to keep me going. I always bought a new batch when the Christmas catalogues came out, more often than not it was just the front cover that changed month to month. If I had a lot a 'old' catalogues, then i tended to use them when doing a new blanket drop.

I know a lot of people have a downer on it, that's pretty evident from some of the posts on here, but come on guys, cut the distributors some slack here.

And yes it is a MLM business, but you can make money without having to recruit and build a team, I wasn't rich beyond my wildest dreams, but I was paying the mortgage, feeding my kids etc each month. It is also not an illegal scheme, I don't know of that many illegal schemes that are in the FTSE 100 (or 250, can't remember which) and this is a company that has been going for 100 years now.

Caroline73_2

I don't have a problem with MLM, if it's done properly.

Properly in my opinion means -
no pressure from above
no targets
no start up fee unless you get products (not catalogues) worth at least what you paid out
good quality training
well structured commission and being able to 'overtake' your upline if you work harder than them

For the record, I have done Kleeneze so know what I am talking about.

nexuss

steam_dan wrote: »

I notice that Nexxus has gone quiet since being asked to provide evidence of his statement that catalogue distribution is to become illegal after the summer. Now isn't that interesting?

Unlike you i have a life and cannot sit around posting on here all day.The initial draft is in circulation with a few amendments to be added over the next 4-6 weeks and there is to be an article on this on sky news in late july.There are doing a feature on cold callers like people who leave catalogues and also bogus charity workers.One particular double glazing company will be the main topic of the feature.Gordon brown is going to use this in a political slant leading into a much bigger topic mid-july onwards.

steam_dan

Your post implies that the link leads to a review by Martin Lewis. It doesn't! I have clicked on the link and searched the page for the word "Lewis". It doesn't appear once on the page anywhere. Neither do the words "Martin" or "moneysavingexpert" and the link is not even to a page on Martin's website.

I have also noted that this review also states that Kleeneze is in "no way a pyramid marketing" scheme which is something that people are always accusing it of being. Pyramid selling is illegal and Kleeneze themselves were instrumental in getting these schemes outlawed. Kleeneze were also founder members of the Direct Sellers Association.

So some of the products may be overpriced. Show me a shop anywhere in the country where you cannot get at least some of the goods cheaper elsewhere. People are capable of making their own decisions as to what is a fair price and what is not and as such can make their own decision where to buy the product from, whether that be Kleeneze, the Coop, Tesco, or whereever. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything from Kleeneze, like any business we present the product at a certain price and the customer decides if they want to buy and whether they are willing to pay that price or not. All goods have a 30 day no-quibble money back guarantee so if someone receives their order and is unhappy with it they can get their money back. What's the problem with that? THEY CAN GET THEIR MONEY BACK IF THEY ARE NOT HAPPY!

Someone here has also accused me of ripping off old ladies. I have a customer base of 80 people so far and only 2 of them are elderly ladies. I have customers from every age range from single mums to Octogenarians.

As for:

Advantages:You can make money if you work really, really hard . Disadvantages: You can easily loose money !

GET REAL! Isn't this the same with any business.

It is very, very easy to fail at anything, all you have to do is give up when the going gets tough! Building a business is not easy and it isn't for everyone. Those who succeed are those who keep going through the hard times, who have a vision and a goal that they desperately want to achieve and refuse to let a few set-backs along the way get them down.

The difference between a job and MLM is as follows:

JOB: The owner of the business, who may have been rich in the first place or could have started at the bottom, gets rich or richer off the backs of all the low-paid workers he employs. Often these workers are subjected to unrealistic targets and constantly moving goal posts as the business expects more from them each week without any additional financial recognition for what they do. The hard working low-paid staff member may be rewarded with a promotion if he is lucky. This usually involves a small pay rise and a huge increase in responsibility and stress levels. I know I have been there and subsequently have little ambition to be promoted in my day job.

MLM: The guy at the top started out at the bottom, always! The guy at the top is so excited about this opportunity that he wants to help others to succeed in the business too. He sponsors new people into the business and teaches them how to operate their own business. Yes lots of people leave, these are people that don't have the drive or determination to do what it takes to succeed. I say again, it is very easy to fail, all you have to do is give up when the going gets tough! But, crucially some people stay and build a successful business of their own by sponsoring more people into the business. If the guy at the top sponsored people into the business and didn't take the time and effort to support those people who have the drive and determination to succeed he wouldn't be at the top. He would have stayed at the bottom. His success is built on the back of helping others to succeed not on exploiting low paid workers. Every one who comes into MLM has the opportunity to do this. Some don't want to and are happy to retail. Fortunately, with Kleeneze, it is possible to earn a good income from just delivering and collecting catalogues but, like any other business, it takes time to build up a customer base, to earn people's respect and trust.

I have presented my argument back to you people every time in a polite and professional manner. I have not resorted to personal attacks on your character. I don't know anything about you, and have never met you so how could I possibly make any judgements on your character. It says more about some of the people on this forum that they can hurl accusations at me like "exploiting old ladies" "taking advantage of vulnerable people" without even knowing me, than it does about me.

For the record I am a charitable person, I recently raised £1,800 for my local hospice by taking part in a sponsored tandem skydive, if you don't beleive me here is a link to my justgiving page. When I was younger I devoted several years to the Rotaract organisation, I gave up much of my spare time helping old ladies with their gardens, assisting disabled sailors set up their yachts, I even held the record in Bletchley Rotaract for taking part in the most charitable events in one day. A record that has not been broken to this day, some 18 years later. I even gave up a few hours on Christmas Day to visit a lonely old man. All of this for little or no recognition but for the sheer joy of helping others less fortunate than myself.

I am telling you this not to win your praise but to demonstrate to you that you know nothing about me and yet you still feel that you can make sweeping, unfounded judgements on my character.

savemoney wrote: »

Its not a wonderful business, mlm never are. Do you ever get Martin praising MLM? no, he doesn't, he doesn't even allow them on here. Its flawed business plan aimed at rewarding those at the top while those are the bottom have to work there socks off, and get new recruits all the time

Oh and review below he says "Some of the Kleeneze products (in my opinion) were not of high quality. Some were overpriced"

Just what I was saying and I think others were too. I have seen the cack you sell, it can be much cheaper else where so Kleeneze are ripping people off and exploiting many, not a ethical company one bit

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Kleeneze_Catalogue__Review_5615673

Advantages:
You can make money if you work really, really hard . Disadvantages:
You can easily loose money !
Recommendable: No