Tesco and their alcohol policy!

Idiophreak

DCodd wrote: »

Its personaly identifiable information, to prove your age you have to prove it you! It may not be officialy ID but it is ID, its the BullS**t of "if you have nothing to hide" ideal again!

Don't buy into the system, then.

Brew your own.

DrScotsman

DCodd wrote: »

Its personaly identifiable information, to prove your age you have to prove it you! It may not be officialy ID but it is ID, its the BullS**t of "if you have nothing to hide" ideal again!

This isn't like the National ID scheme, no one's forcing you to buy alcohol and you could always go to another store that's more lax.

And I normally would agree with you on the "Nothing to hide" rubbish, but seriously, look at the citizen card. Photo, name, DOB. The cashier obviously can see the first one. I assume that you do use a credit/debit card at least some of the time and aren't seriously going to hinder your life and always pay in cash for these principles (and I will also assume you are not that customer who didn't know you could pay with a VISA card, just a couple months ago), and likewise for a loyalty card, so they know your name. As for your DOB, I'm sure you've given it to enough companies that will store it for years so that letting a cashier see it for a grand total of 5 seconds just to then forget about it wouldn't matter. And if you're over 19 then I'll have only looked at the year column.

DCodd

DrScotsman wrote: »

This isn't like the National ID scheme, no one's forcing you to buy alcohol and you could always go to another store that's more lax.

And I normally would agree with you on the "Nothing to hide" rubbish, but seriously, look at the citizen card. Photo, name, DOB. The cashier obviously can see the first one. I assume that you do use a credit/debit card at least some of the time and aren't seriously going to hinder your life and always pay in cash for these principles, and likewise for a loyalty card, so they know your name. As for your DOB, I'm sure you've given it to enough companies that will store it for years so that letting a cashier see it for a grand total of 5 seconds just to then forget about it wouldn't matter.

I do understand what you are saying, it just seems the thin edge of the wedge to me. If we volunteer for one form of ID then a national ID scheme is just one very small step away from that IMHO.

DCodd

Idiophreak wrote: »

Don't buy into the system, then.

Brew your own.

Now that IS a good idea!!!!!:D

DrScotsman

DCodd wrote: »

I do understand what you are saying, it just seems the thin edge of the wedge to me. If we volunteer for one form of ID then a national ID scheme is just one very small step away from that IMHO.

Well Sainsbury's don't actually accept National ID Cards (I didn't know they already existed when we were being trained back in November), so I don't think people can really use the "You need an ID card anyway for alcohol" argument to support national ID.

Meepster

davetrousers wrote: »

It isn't a crime to give a child alcohol in your own home. So if a parent bought alcohol and had a 12 year old with them it shouldn't be an issue

As I said earlier, but everyone seems to be ignoring, davetrousers is correct. The law clearly states that ID DOES NOT have to be produced when purchasing alcohol and your children are present, no matter if they are 1, 13 or 17. You cannot be refused under the grounds of a possible proxy purchase in this instance.

They could however, refuse to sell you alcohol as they just don't like the look of you, as they aren't legally obliged to sell anything to anyone, of any age, race, religion or gender.

You got refused, not through the shops fault, but the fault of your friend. Move on, shop somewhere else, always make sure everyone with you has ID and stop complaining...

DCodd

DrScotsman wrote: »

Well Sainsbury's don't actually accept National ID Cards (I didn't know they already existed when we were being trained back in November), so I don't think people can really use the "You need an ID card anyway for alcohol" argument to support national ID.

Its all about the public perception, demanding a National ID scheme a couple of years ago caused an outcry. But as people are getting more used to providing ID the outrage is now becoming a whimper!

Imagine if when your Dad was 21 and people walked into an offy to buy a beer and they were told they needed ID! How many broken noses would the casulty dept have had to deal with? Not now we just say OH OK!!!

Edit - I am not promoting the use of violence!! It is just an analogy!!!!

before_hollywood

the id cards that are advertised are designed for younger people to prove they are 18-21 as the systems behind these are not designed to replace passports and driving licenses. and also many stores dont recognise them as genuine proof and dont accept them as such because they dont carry the leaflets in store and say passport or driving license only

lufcgirl

It should be all about the person your selling the alcohol to, not who is with you. What happens when you leave that shop is down to whoever it is who happens to purchase the alcohol.

Who says the buyer isn't going to go straight home and hand it to their 16 year old kid anyway?

davetrousers

lufcgirl wrote: »

Who says the buyer isn't going to go straight home and hand it to their 16 year old kid anyway?

Well it isn't illegal to give booze to your 16 year old at home.

If they go out drinking in public and causing a nuisance then that is a different matter