Timeline 4810T

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Only if you want to put not terribly demanding things on it.

What are you talking about??

The fact that it doesn't have whatever features you want doesn't make it a rip-off. You don't get to choose how much things should cost depending on how much you want them.

Yes I do I'm the consumer, I choose what I want and how much I'll pay for them, and can decide whats a rip off and whats not. And since its a completely subjective thing I can decide to think about a product whatever I think.

I'd love you see you grocery shopping: "I'm not hungry right now, so could I have this food cheaper? It's such a rip-off I should have to pay for it when i don't want it!"

Again what are you talking about?? That bares no resemblance to anything in this thread explain its relevance.

I'd love to see you computer shopping: "I MUST BUY APPLE PRODUCTS I WILL IGNORE FACTS!" Marty chants in a robotic advertised induced voice.

The difference is that I'm not presenting a "review" of it to the world.

I suppose if I did that though, you'd agree that it would be just as meaningful a review as one written by someone who had actually used one?

Honestly you're not getting it, using one is different from what I'm interested in which is functionality. Is there a massive difference between the air and a normal macbook apart from the size? IMO no.

Again, you're being 100% unreasonable. If someone wrote a review of the Timeline and then noted in it that they hadn't actually used one, I would say the same thing.

Good glad we agree on something.

Does the £1000 laptop have a faster processor? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop come with a 64-bit OS? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop come with a suite of digital media software? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop have an all metal body? Yes.

Is the £1000 laptop thinner? Yes.

Is the £1000 laptop lighter? Yes.

It only "does less" if it doesn't do what you want it to do. That doesn't make it a rip off though.

Does the £1000+ laptop come with a 64-bit OS? Not bothered I'll put one on if I want to 64bit for me aint a big issue.

Does the £1000+ laptop come with a suite of digital media software? No but I can put that on if I need it, IF.

Does the £1000 laptop have an all metal body? Not an issue for me, definitely not a must have.

Thinner and lighter at the expense of functionality I need.

Can it play a DVD? No. Can I test new linux distros? No. Can I use a mouse and plug in a usb stick? No. If I need the internet and theres no wireless can I plug it in? No.

But don't Apple computers just use off the shelf parts which Apple then over-charge everyone for, so you might as well buy a PC?

Don't both Acer and Dell use off the shelf parts?

Or are Acer special now?

Again what are you talking about, are you reading words that I'm not typing?? Who said acer are special? Do apple make their own intel processors, their own hard drives their own motherboards, their own etc. Are they special ones made just for apple?

Also while I'm not enamered by their prices I actually think they make good computers, however the air is not.

-TangleFoot-

Stop it! You're both making me dizzy! :wall:

Further discussion on the relative merits of Apple's design philosophy is pointless, as it's quite clear that aesthetics are not the primary concern here. The Timeline may look like a steam-age monster beside the wafer-thin Air, but compared to most other laptops it's a breath of fresh... well, air. :rolleyes:

Besides, some people like steam-age monsters...

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

What are you talking about??

Incase you hadn't noticed, the Timeline isn't a terribly powerful computer.

Yes I do I'm the consumer, I choose what I want and how much I'll pay for them, and can decide whats a rip off and whats not. And since its a completely subjective thing I can decide to think about a product whatever I think.

You have a very strange idea of how commerce works. You don't get to decide how much you'll pay for things. Unless you're bidding in an auction, the seller gets to decide how much you'll pay. What you get to decide is what you buy.

Two very different things.

Again what are you talking about?? That bares no resemblance to anything in this thread explain its relevance.

I'd love to see you computer shopping: "I MUST BUY APPLE PRODUCTS I WILL IGNORE FACTS!" Marty chants in a robotic advertised induced voice.

Whoosh! Straight over your head.

I don't know how many times I've tried to explain this to you, but just because you don't want something, it doesn't mean it has no intrinsic value. If you don't want a leather interior in your car, it doesn't mean leather interiors are a rip-off, it just means you don't want one, and don't want to pay for one. Nothing more and nothing less.

I don't want a PC, but that doesn't mean I think PCs are over-priced. I just don't want one, so I don't buy one. End of story.

Honestly you're not getting it, using one is different from what I'm interested in which is functionality. Is there a massive difference between the air and a normal macbook apart from the size? IMO no.

Well you've spent the best part of three pages talking about the loss of functionality on the MacBook Air, so I'm going to have to say yes, according to you, there is a difference between the two apart from the size.

Good glad we agree on something.

We agree about what?

That writing reviews of products you haven't actually tried is pretty asinine?

Now I'm the confused one.

Thinner and lighter at the expense of functionality I need.

But I thought it was functionally the same as a MacBook?

Again what are you talking about, are you reading words that I'm not typing?? Who said acer are special? Do apple make their own intel processors, their own hard drives their own motherboards, their own etc. Are they special ones made just for apple?

Well yes actually, Intel design and manufacture the motherboards in Macs in partnership with Apple. They have EFI and custom TPM chips on them and such like, and you won't buy one in any store. Apple also write their own drivers for the NVIDIA graphics cards they use, which perform much more efficiently than NVIDIA's own Windows drivers.

But that's not the point. If Macs are just fancy PCs and someone might as well buy a cheaper PC than a more expensive Mac, what differentiates different brands of PC? Aren't they all just the same with a different name written on them?

So what's the difference between Acer and Dell?

Also while I'm not enamered by their prices I actually think they make good computers, however the air is not.

Well it might not be good for you, and I have no problem with that. It doesn't mean it's not a good computer though. My fiancee wants one because she can just throw it into her handbag. She doesn't want to run hugely demanding applications, and she doesn't care it has no disk drive. She just wants something really small, light and good looking that'll run OS X with the minimum of fuss. The only thing she'd be plugging into it would be an iPod, and if she wants to use a mouse, we have a Bluetooth Mighty Mouse. Sure, she could buy some colossal speed demon that would leave it in the dust, but she wouldn't like it as much.

She also wants a pink one, which will only cost $500 extra.

Marty_J

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

Stop it! You're both making me dizzy! :wall:

Further discussion on the relative merits of Apple's design philosophy is pointless, as it's quite clear that aesthetics are not the primary concern here. The Timeline may look like a steam-age monster beside the wafer-thin Air, but compared to most other laptops it's a breath of fresh... well, air. :rolleyes:

Besides, some people like steam-age monsters...

Wow! That's pretty cool!

-TangleFoot-

Marty_J wrote: »

You have a very strange idea of how commerce works.

Never heard the phrase "voting with your wallet" I take it?

Marty_J

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

Never heard the phrase "voting with your wallet" I take it?

Of course. It doesn't mean you get to choose how much things cost though.

If the seller wants to drop the price, that's up to them.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Incase you hadn't noticed, the Timeline isn't a terribly powerful computer.

In case you hadn't noticed that doesn't bother me since its powerful enough to do what I need of it.

You have a very strange idea of how commerce works. You don't get to decide how much you'll pay for things. Unless you're bidding in an auction, the seller gets to decide how much you'll pay. What you get to decide is what you buy.

Two very different things.

I do get to decide how much I'll pay for things, its that simple. The seller gets to decide how much they would like to sell things for and I decide if I think its worth it. I'm in control of what I pay for not the seller. It is the consumer who is ultimately in control not the seller.

Whoosh! Straight over your head.

That is because it made no sense.

I don't know how many times I've tried to explain this to you, but just because you don't want something, it doesn't mean it has no intrinsic value. If you don't want a leather interior in your car, it doesn't mean leather interiors are a rip-off, it just means you don't want one, and don't want to pay for one. Nothing more and nothing less.

What something is worth is based on what someone thinks its worth. Nothing hard in that. Its a rip-off when and if you or I decide it is. Nothing has an objective value, value is subjective entirely. That is why prices go up and down for things. Thats why some businesses go out of business.

I don't want a PC, but that doesn't mean I think PCs are over-priced. I just don't want one, so I don't buy one. End of story.

PCs are worthless to you then, because you dont want one.

Well you've spent the best part of three pages talking about the loss of functionality on the MacBook Air, so I'm going to have to say yes, according to you, there is a difference between the two apart from the size.

Finally you're getting it.:T

We agree about what?

That writing reviews of products you haven't actually tried is pretty asinine?

Now I'm the confused one.

No. I can make a decision on something without trying based on what is known about it, thats how you whittle down your decision to buy something, its that simple. The spec sheet is enough to go on for the air. Is using it gonna suddenly mean it has a dvd drive??? Dont be foolish.

But I thought it was functionally the same as a MacBook?

Well you know what thought did then dont you... thought wrong.

Well yes actually, Intel design and manufacture the motherboards in Macs in partnership with Apple. They have EFI and custom TPM chips on them and such like, and you won't buy one in any store. Apple also write their own drivers for the NVIDIA graphics cards they use, which perform much more efficiently than NVIDIA's own Windows drivers.

So intel make them stuff and apple pay extra, ok. But the rest is normal hardware apart from the things that apple make ie the chassis. EFI is on some PCs as well and I'm sure itll catch on since I'm told its more user friendly. In either case I'm sure EFI and custom TPM chips are a big selling point for your average computer user.:rolleyes: Or is it really the hard drive capacity and processor speed people are blinded by

But that's not the point. If Macs are just fancy PCs and someone might as well buy a cheaper PC than a more expensive Mac, what differentiates different brands of PC? Aren't they all just the same with a different name written on them?

So what's the difference between Acer and Dell?

I would assume it has something to do with who is making them that differentiates between them, some are made by acer some are made by dell some are made by HP etc etc, and at what price they want to sell there items for. Not hard to understand really.

Well it might not be good for you, and I have no problem with that. It doesn't mean it's not a good computer though. My fiancee wants one because she can just throw it into her handbag. She doesn't want to run hugely demanding applications, and she doesn't care it has no disk drive. She just wants something really small, light and good looking that'll run OS X with the minimum of fuss. The only thing she'd be plugging into it would be an iPod, and if she wants to use a mouse, we have a Bluetooth Mighty Mouse. Sure, she could buy some colossal speed demon that would leave it in the dust, but she wouldn't like it as much.

She also wants a pink one, which will only cost $500 extra.

Therefore proving that value is decided by each person in a subjective manner and its ultimately up to the comsumer.

-TangleFoot-

asininity wrote: »

some are made by acer some are made by dell some are made by HP

It's never quite that simple. In many cases, the individual components are supplied by different companies, few of which the average consumer will have heard of. The big OEMs usually just put the pieces together. A large proportion of laptop chassis, for example, are made by Clevo. Foxconn makes a lot of stuff for other companies too.

As Peter Stormare observed in the movie Armageddon:

American components, Russian components - ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!

asininity

-TangleFoot- wrote: »

It's never quite that simple. In many cases, the individual components are supplied by different companies, few of which the average consumer will have heard of. The big OEMs usually just put the pieces together. A large proportion of laptop chassis, for example, are made by Clevo. Foxconn makes a lot of stuff for other companies too.

As Peter Stormare observed in the movie Armageddon:

I know its never that simple. But they'll each have their own set ups from which you need to choose. Anyway forgot to mention about your link, what a mod, almost as good as the Wall-E mod.

-TangleFoot-

This may be a little late for you, but we finally have a review of the single-core version of the Timeline 4810T for comparison! It's a bit slower and the battery doesn't last quite as long, but for £200 less that's not too bad at all.