Timeline 4810T

Marty_J

So if you're under no illusions about the Timeline, why not just buy a cheaper Dell with better specs?

Or is it all about the battery life now?

asininity

No I like the look, how thin it is, the battery life, and not looked at dell since I dont rate them and for some reason whatever price they quote at the start its always more expensive when you've finished the customisation even if you dont want more. The only thing thats holding me back from buying is that I've not seen one in the "flesh". Plus I could buy an acer with better specs for cheaper than any dell of similar specs I would guess.

Marty_J

So the specs aren't necessarily the most important thing then, and you're willing to pay more because of how it looks?

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

I'm really struggling to see why you don't think this Acer is overpriced. You never waste an opportunity to opine that Macs are more expensive because they look better, and so are a waste of money.

Is there a place for good design in your world now?

Or is it only those world-renowned industrial designers at Acer (almost typed that without laughing!) who are allowed to charge more for a well-designed product?

Bowling_4_Gold

Marty_J wrote: »

I'm really struggling to see why you don't think this Acer is overpriced. You never waste any time opining that Macs are more expensive because they look better, and so are a waste of money.

Although in some respects it is overpriced, I feel this is to be expected of a brand-new model of something- e.g. the Sony Ericsson K750i was originally priced at £249.99, and although still quite a modern phone, can be picked up brand new by the 'smart spender' for less than £50. Although the example was of a mobile phone, there are other examples such as 32" LCD screens coming in at less than £200 in some places and this trend, imo, will echo through this specific laptop soon enough.

So, yes it may be over-priced, but soon enough it will be reduced in price to it's 'true value' which, from my own knowlege, has not happened to the Macbook Air.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

So the specs aren't necessarily the most important thing then, and you're willing to pay more because of how it looks?

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

I'm really struggling to see why you don't think this Acer is overpriced. You never waste an opportunity to opine that Macs are more expensive because they look better, and so are a waste of money.

Is there a place for good design in your world now?

Or is it only those world-renowned industrial designers at Acer (almost typed that without laughing!) who are allowed to charge more for a well-designed product?

Get over yourself marty. I know its a sore point that apple have made a rubbish computer. The air isn't good design it just looks good, a gimmick.

The timeline is perfect for what I need it for. The fact that I like how is looks is a bonus. Similar designed laptops are all more expensive how is it overpriced? Read some reviews of it and read some reviews of the air

http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2009/05/15/Acer-Aspire-Timeline-4810T---14in-Laptop/p1

http://www.trustedreviews.com/editorial/2008/01/17/Style-over-well-everything/p1

Acer make affordable computers, thats it.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

Get over yourself marty. I know its a sore point that apple have made a rubbish computer. The air isn't good design it just looks good, a gimmick.

The Air certainly isn't rubbish; it's expensive, too expensive, and there are faster computers out there that cost less (and there are slower computers that cost less, such as the Timeline). That doesn't make it rubbish.

The timeline is perfect for what I need it for. The fact that I like how is looks is a bonus.

But couldn't you find a cheaper computer that does what you need?

Similar designed laptops are all more expensive how is it overpriced? Read some reviews of it and read some reviews of the air

http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2009/05/15/Acer-Aspire-Timeline-4810T---14in-Laptop/p1

http://www.trustedreviews.com/editorial/2008/01/17/Style-over-well-everything/p1

Good "review" of the MacBook Air, written by someone who hasn't actually used one. If that's your standard, it explains a lot.

Anyhow, here are two actual reviews; one for the MacBook Air:

Verdict

The Air is a 'love it or loathe it' machine, but don't let the naysayers put you off if it offers the form factor you prefer. Of course it's not going to be the laptop to suit everyone - you can buy cheaper or more capable Macs and PCs - so it's not a must have for the price-conscious buyer or the power-hungry. It's pricey, but with the exception of the tiny, basic Eee, the Air's no more expensive than other slim'n'light laptops.

If form-factor is your prime concern, then the Air provides a good computing experience, and if our time with it is anything to go by, its port and optical disc limitations proved no handicap at all. Again, if you think they're going to be, there are plenty of other laptops out there that'll meet your needs instead. Of course, if you want to run Mac OS X on a thin'n'light machine, this is really your only option. If you don't then you're not going to chose the Air no matter how smart it is.

For us, price notwithstanding, the Air hits the mark. It's effectively as portable as our Eee, but with a much better battery life, a bigger screen, and a much more usable keyboard and touchpad. It's got the performance for a wide range of mainstream apps, but put it in your backpack and you'll forget it's there.

This is style over substance in the very best possible way.

(that's a slightly older model they're reviewing; the latest has been updated since then with a larger hard drive and a better graphics card)

And here's the Acer Timeline:

Verdict

The new Timeline is a perfectly decent laptop that is saved from mediocrity by a battery life that is, for a notebook, absolutely epic.

Here's another review of the MacBook Air. The reviewer liked it so much he decided to use one as his main laptop.

Acer make affordable computers, thats it.

Yes, they do make cheap computers. I can't argue with that.

They also make £600 computers that can barely handle the soon-to-be-replaced Windows Vista. Bargain.

Still, you keep telling yourself that you're all about the value, and I'm sure it'll come true.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

The Air certainly isn't rubbish; it's expensive, too expensive, and there are faster computers out there that cost less (and there are slower computers that cost less, such as the Timeline). That doesn't make it rubbish.

The cpu is different and has a slower clock speed, but as you can tell from the battery life very efficient able to handle HD just about so thats fine. Faster hard drive and bigger. I'm saying its rubbish because its not got much apart from looks going for it.

But couldn't you find a cheaper computer that does what you need?

I've gone over what I'm looking for and the acer seems to fit fine, I'm also looking at the samsung q310 and q320. Netbooks to small but want thin and portable.

Good "review" of the MacBook Air, written by someone who hasn't actually used one. If that's your standard, it explains a lot.

No probably not used but someone like myself who can see the obvious limitations without having to use it. Apart from the physical limitations I'm sure using it is like using any other macbook something the reviewer has done.

Anyhow, here are two actual reviews

Read the above and my posted reviews are "actual" reviews, and from a place that have not pointed me wrong in the past. But I suppose anyone who doesn't like something from apple hasn't got a valid opinion. And the timeline review doesn't put me off because basically says its a good laptop with an awesome battery life.

Here's another review of the MacBook Air. The reviewer liked it so much he decided to use one as his main laptop.

The adaptors for outputing video dont come with the newer models. I've not read this one and it would put me off buying it if I'd not already seen the price.

Yes, they do make cheap computers. I can't argue with that.

They also make £600 computers that can barely handle the soon-to-be-replaced Windows Vista. Bargain.

Still, you keep telling yourself that you're all about the value, and I'm sure it'll come true.

I assume you're talking about the timeline which as far as I'm aware handles vista fine, and will handle 7 as well since 7 is far more scalable. However that really is besides the point. And it is about the value, facts is facts Air = Rip Off.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I'm saying its rubbish because its not got much apart from looks going for it.

Apart from the faster processor. And of course, it's lighter, thinner and more portable. And it'll run OS X.

Netbooks to small but want thin and portable.

Yet thinness or portability don't apparently count as features worth taking into consideration.

How odd.

Read the above and my posted reviews are "actual" reviews, and from a place that have not pointed me wrong in the past. But I suppose anyone who doesn't like something from apple hasn't got a valid opinion. And the timeline review doesn't put me off because basically says its a good laptop with an awesome battery life.

Right, pointing out that a "review" by someone who hasn't actually used the product they are supposed to be reviewing might not be totally accurate makes me a blind Apple fan-boy.

That seems entirely reasonable.

And it is about the value, facts is facts Air = Rip Off.

Sure, and the Timeline isn't for some reason.

My my, Acer fanboyism. What a world we live in.

Everything that makes the MacBook Air more expensive also makes the Timeline more expensive.

I think you should go buy a Dell like everyone else.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Apart from the faster processor. And of course, it's lighter, thinner and more portable. And it'll run OS X.

The timeline will run what ever I want to put on it. And if I want BSD I'll put proper BSD on it. Portable is debatable.

Yet thinness or portability don't apparently count as features worth taking into consideration.

How odd.

Not when it cant do what I want it to, and carrying around the stuff I'd need to make the air actually functional makes it pointless, not to mention even more of a rip off.

Right, pointing out that a "review" by someone who hasn't actually used the product they are supposed to be reviewing might not be totally accurate makes me a blind Apple fan-boy.

That seems entirely reasonable.

Have you used the timeline?? No yet you seem to be making a judgement about it, whats the difference. In fact have you used the air?? Probably in the shop for five minutes before they threw you out for slobbering on the display. But because is apple you've got your blinkers on as usual. I'm judging based on what I need it for.

Sure, and the Timeline isn't for some reason.

My my, Acer fanboyism. What a world we live in.

Everything that makes the MacBook Air more expensive also makes the Timeline more expensive.

I think you should go buy a Dell like everyone else.

I really wish you'd point out how a £700 laptop is a rip off when the £1000+ laptop that does less isnt?? Very confused. I dont like dells so why would I get one??

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

The timeline will run what ever I want to put on it.

Only if you want to put not terribly demanding things on it.

Not when it cant do what I want it to, and carrying around the stuff I'd need to make the air actually functional makes it pointless, not to mention even more of a rip off.

The fact that it doesn't have whatever features you want doesn't make it a rip-off. You don't get to choose how much things should cost depending on how much you want them.

I'd love you see you grocery shopping: "I'm not hungry right now, so could I have this food cheaper? It's such a rip-off I should have to pay for it when i don't want it!"

Have you used the timeline?? No yet you seem to be making a judgement about it, whats the difference.

The difference is that I'm not presenting a "review" of it to the world.

I suppose if I did that though, you'd agree that it would be just as meaningful a review as one written by someone who had actually used one?

But because is apple you've got your blinkers on as usual.

Again, you're being 100% unreasonable. If someone wrote a review of the Timeline and then noted in it that they hadn't actually used one, I would say the same thing.

I really wish you'd point out how a £700 laptop is a rip off when the £1000+ laptop that does less isnt??

Does the £1000 laptop have a faster processor? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop come with a 64-bit OS? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop come with a suite of digital media software? Yes.

Does the £1000 laptop have an all metal body? Yes.

Is the £1000 laptop thinner? Yes.

Is the £1000 laptop lighter? Yes.

It only "does less" if it doesn't do what you want it to do. That doesn't make it a rip off though.

Very confused. I dont like dells so why would I get one??

But don't Apple computers just use off the shelf parts which Apple then over-charge everyone for, so you might as well buy a PC?

Don't both Acer and Dell use off the shelf parts?

Or are Acer special now?