To those selling in these difficult times Part Deux. AKA sellers support network!

azkaban420

Orpheo wrote: »

Azkaban. Can you be sure that the EA is actually passing this information on to the potential viewers? I think it is very likely that they are knowingly not doing so. The EA will probably have data capture targets, targets for the number of viewings they conduct and so on.

Whenever I ask questions of an EA before viewing a property they never answer them. Their response is either ignorant of the property, cagey or they outright say "we don't have that information". Similarly, when I have attended viewings conducted by the EA they generally refuse to answer questions, whether through ignorance or simply to cover their own behind and instead bombard us with emotive and leading questions such as, "it's lovely isn't it?" Talk about leading with the chin.

Orpheo, after about thirty viewings with no offers (and price drops)and everyone going on about parking, I think the EA were glad I asked them to be specific about the parking. Yes, they may have been lying, but it was wasting their time as well as mine. In the end, bikers have offered on our house!

Az

NEH

sonastin wrote: »

For me tyre-kickers are the following:
1) People who need to sell their house first, but haven't yet put it on the market, and aren't yet in the process of doing the things it needs to have done to it to be able to put it on the market. Its one thing to not be in a position to proceed yet, but please be actively trying to get yourself into that position before you start viewing properties!

2) People who have nothing like enough money to buy it, or haven't got a clue how much money they are likely to be able to borrow. I don't mind people who's budget is a bit below the asking price but when its waaaaaaaaaaaaay below :mad:. And to start viewing before you know if the banks will even consider you? :mad::mad:

3) People whose negative feedback entirely revolves around information that is clearly in the details - such as Az's parking issue.

4) People who give reasons for not buying it that are so spurious that either they are dreaming that the perfect house exists in move-in condition exactly how they want it, or they were never intending to buy and had to find something to pick on to justify it. (I'm thinking here of the couple who wouldn't buy because the bedroom was painted pink and they were having a boy! :cool:)

Coming along and finding it wasn't what you expected, after checking the details properly doesn't bother me. Nor does checking out what you can get once you sell if you are trying to sell. Nor does hoping that the vendor will come down in price a bit too much. Those people aren't tyre kickers to me, just frustrating because I want someone to by my bleedin' house!!!

As I have said before on this thread before things went pear shaped in our lives we were in catergory 1 of your definition of tyre kickers...


We wanted to view properties to see what we could get so as to decide if it was worth us moving and sometimes only seeing what you could get gives you the final push to sell....

So if that makes me a tyre kicker i hold my hands up....

azkaban420

NEH wrote: »

As I have said before on this thread before things went pear shaped in our lives we were in catergory 1 of your definition of tyre kickers...


We wanted to view properties to see what we could get so as to decide if it was worth us moving and sometimes only seeing what you could get gives you the final push to sell....

So if that makes me a tyre kicker i hold my hands up....

Hi NEH, I think we all have our own definitions of tyre-kickers but it's never a straightforward picture is it? Initially, I just wanted ANYONE through the door, then as we got more and more frustrated with the same feedback it got harder to be more positive about viewers. Sigh, let's just hope we are all able to sell/buy soon, and move on with our lives. It seems to dictate a big part of my life at the mo, as I'm sure it does for others :S

tyllwyd

Hmm, just checked rightmove, and for the last 6 weeks nothing in our price bracket (300-350K) has sold at all - but in the last week, three houses have all gone under offer (but not us, obviously). So maybe things are starting to move a bit in this area.

not_loaded

Orpheo wrote: »

…Forgive me this though. There are a number of references in this thread to "tyre kickers" (I understand the term) and for the most part it seems that sellers define "tyre kickers" as someone who views your property and decides that it is not suitable for them. Granted, if someone with kids views a studio flat then he or she is either desperate or a numpty, but if someone views a property and decides that it is too big, too small, too pink, too magnolia, too new, too old or whatever, then that should be perfectly fine. In all likelihood they are about to borrow a silly amount of money, they should be as fussy as they please…

I think the expression is ‘if the cap fits…’. It’s fascinating to see the various definitions posted so far, and in essence I agree with them all.

I tend to be more analytical and see things on a scale of say 1 to 10 for viewers, where a 1 is a complete day dreamer with no intention of buying at all, and a 10 is fully proceedable and has their ducks in a row. So having mixed sooo many metaphors, I’d say tyre kickers span 1 through 6???

For a 7 to become an 8, an 8 to become a 9, etc, relies on them doing things that they may or may not do. Our first people to offer looked like an 8 and quickly became a 3. ‘We’re on the point of selling’ shortly became ‘we’ve nearly got it decorated’. When they finally got it on the market they hugely overpriced it by around £40k thus ensuring no interest. Silly Billies!

I’m tending to assume with viewers that they’re telling us the truth about their position though, which more than once has clearly NOT been the case for us.

Orpheo wrote: »

EAs appear to me to be part of the problem. They exist only due to the inability of two parties, the buyer and seller, to get together, communicate and negotiate in good faith.
They are descended from the Golgafrinchans.

That’s why we went with HouseNetwork. You get to deal with the important issues yourself.

sonastin

NEH wrote: »

As I have said before on this thread before things went pear shaped in our lives we were in catergory 1 of your definition of tyre kickers...


We wanted to view properties to see what we could get so as to decide if it was worth us moving and sometimes only seeing what you could get gives you the final push to sell....

So if that makes me a tyre kicker i hold my hands up....

From what you've said previously, I would have put you in the "in the process of doing what needs to be done to put it on the market" bit of the acceptable behaviour. What I had in mind there was the couple who offered on my friends house and expected her to take it off the market before they had put theirs on the market. (she didn't btw). 2 months later, despite her saying I'll accept once you are ready to proceed, they still hadn't put it on the market. Now that to me is tyre-kicking :rotfl:

Davesnave

Mostly, we didn't dwell too much on people's motives for viewing our house or even on their proceedability, and when we did, we got it wrong. As I've said before, we had a routine for cleaning/tidying etc, stuck to it, and kept our emotions out of the picture as much as possible. That worked for us.

Our only sub-plot, if you like, was to be alert for anyone who had intentions to create a student let, as we were not knowingly going to give our long-standing neighbours that as a leaving present! So, when a rather odd couple from further up the same road came looking, with the alleged idea of buying our extended house to use the extra space as a pottery workshop, alarm bells rang.

'Won't you need to sell first?' we asked.
'Oh, we could fund the purchase,' was the reply.

That settled it, we decided. They were after an easily-administered student let! I have some practical knowledge of pottery and our extension was far from suitable.

Unfortunately, being rather odd and insular, no one locally could shed much light on this pair, so we were quite relieved when no further visit was forthcoming.

Recently, I had reason to visit our old road. There, in front of me, was the odd couple's house, complete with new side extension, set up with the extra velux windows, and obviously the studio they'd spoken about!

PottyHouse_2

sonastin wrote: »

For me tyre-kickers are the following:
1) People who need to sell their house first, but haven't yet put it on the market, and aren't yet in the process of doing the things it needs to have done to it to be able to put it on the market. Its one thing to not be in a position to proceed yet, but please be actively trying to get yourself into that position before you start viewing properties!

My term for "tyre-kickers" Category 1 is "SERIAL VIEWERS" - its like they just can't help themselves !!!!

They are waiting for the perfect property to view that suits them exactly (never going to happen!!!!) - then they will think about putting their own on the market.

PottyHouse_2

PottyHouse wrote: »

So we have gone back onto the market with current EA but I have a feeling it is being remarketed "half heartedly" ... our Buyers are with the same EA and have hit problems similar to us. We have not yet gone back on Rightmove but we are to go in the local paper this week - Rightmove being the better media obviously.

We have also decided to try another new Agent at the same time and so I advised current EA - reply was "but don't you want to wait a bit longer" (to see if our Buyer does get his redeployment) !! my response "well we have been with you since last June and had 2 broken chains" - can you believe it !!!! We have had the patience of 1000 saints !!!!!

So I now have to get my home ready for more photos for EA details and probably have a nervous breakdown over that as I admit I am a perfectionist !!! :rotfl:

P.S thanks for all your sympathetic replies - this thread is my therapy !!!!

So we have now signed up with another Agent as we are dubious that our current Agent (with whom our "current" Buyer are with too) are pushing our property forward - if they lose our Buyer they lose our sale too so 2 lots of fees lost for them - what a shame.

New Agent seem to do a bit more than current one, like supplying weekly figures for Rightmove "views" and how many then go to look at the "details". They do a text thing where you can text a number of a property you are parked outside of and they will then give you the details of the next 6 nearest properties on their books in the area.

Hopefully we will go on Rightmove with them early next week, we have never had 2 Agents acting for us so it will be interesting if nothing else, see how much contact with have with them and how many viewings we get between both Agencies, hopefully it will spur them on to compete against each other ?????

NEH

PottyHouse wrote: »

My term for "tyre-kickers" Category 1 is "SERIAL VIEWERS" - its like they just can't help themselves !!!!

They are waiting for the perfect property to view that suits them exactly (never going to happen!!!!) - then they will think about putting their own on the market.

You see I can never quite understand these people that go on and on viewing propeties with no intentions what so ever to put their place on their market they just want to do it to be nosey. It's blinking exhausting viewing properties...I know I hav ea health condition but even if I was well it would be still be exhausting ( maybe it's that we can never get a rental property locally)....

I get fed up with it and you do get to the point you really don't care what a house looks like anymore cause you just can't take anymore..

Can you tell I'm fustrated with our rental hunt by any chance???:rotfl:

don't even get started on the incomepetancy of Solcitors or that thier version of things moving forward is to do it at a snails pace...

The Solcitors we have application in for a rental property said last week that a week to 10 days to make a decision between us and the other party. Well it would appear they haven't even written for references yet which would mean yet another week. What part of the we have 7 weeks left from today to get out of this place that they understood to mean we have all the time in the world...

I am hoping to goodness when my mum speaks my other reference today that she can confirm that she has been contacted...

rant over..:D