School Uniform !

Loopy_Girl

I agree you aren't answerable to me or anyone else. I was just trying to make you see it from a different point of view.

I'm not sure what area you are in but we don't ask the school for the phone number if not given and I agree with a previous poster about it being a breach of the DPA.

mealone

I buy my son good quality, heard wearing staples like trousers and shirts from a large department stores and he is still wearing the same shirts 2 years later, he out grew his trousers and they are now put by for my nephew. Wash all clothes in cold water and remove them from the washer as soon as the cycle has ended and your white shirts stay white and the colours stay coloured, this means the sweatshirts remain navy as well.

I buy from the school the required items, asking the school is the best thing to do, they didnt volenteer that for dance you needed any plain black kit, no logos and for PE any navy any kit allowed and with logos but for a tracksuit/PE sweatshirt they are school only/

School uniform requires the same as money saving.

AsknAnswer

Thank you.

That was my main problem was that they didn't seem to find anything wrong with obtaining my telephone number (they wouldn't tell me where they got it, but only the school, childminder and GP have my work no), and I didn't feel it was right to phone people up and question them about their choice, I selected no on the form and I didn't anticipate a phone call to question my choice and the reasons for it.

I do appreciate why the childsmile programme needs the data, however I had hoped they would appreciate my daughter's right to not have the data shared, without question. Any decision involving my children I am very careful about.

For example, the child trust fund voucher was placed in a savings account, because it's her money, not mine. I didn't feel right placing it in the other schemes. The value could be increased but then again she could lose the lot. So I placed it in an account and however she chooses to spend it when she is old enough, that is her call to make. I take the same route with her data. Obviously I don't have a choice concerning some of her data processing but where I do have the choice, I choose to keep the data from being shared as it is about her, not me.

Loopy_Girl

AsknAnswer wrote: »

That was my main problem was that they didn't seem to find anything wrong with obtaining my telephone number

I suppose there are 2 parties at fault here - them for asking and the school for giving.

I don't agree with it and have refused since day 1 to ask the school as I would be livid - like you were - about receiving a call when I had not given my number and I found out the school had given it.

I can appreciate your point about data - I'm a Mum too! - but I can also see it from the point of my workplace that we need to make sure the funding is secured and we can't do that without figures. And that's all it is - figures. No names, numbers anything like that. But as you say, there is a box to choose what you feel appropriate.

However, I think we shall agree to call a truce - wouldn't you say?!!:D

AsknAnswer

Indeed, I agree a truce is in order. I apologise for the "drawing yourself out of your own backside" remark. It was out of line and a harsh, hurtful thing to say.

Loopy_Girl

No apology needed. I said some underhand things too.

poet123

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Rubbish? Tell me why British children are turning out dreadfully unhappy, while European children are growing up much happier? The fact that UK schools see fit to pick and obsess over minor trivial issues while ours choose to get on with what they're there for - education, might just have something to do with it.

There are many reasons kids are unhappy, education is the way out for many kids, and to achieve standards need to be mainbtained. The breakdown of family like is a bigger contributor to childhood unhappiness than strict uniform policy. It is niave, simplistic and rather silly to attribute childhood ills to school uniform issues.



I lived in the UK, I spoke to many people about the system (I'm an HR specialist, I have good reason to be interested in education!) - and the overwhelming consensus is that British education is very often ran on a principle that children should be seen and not heard.

That description does not fit the system my kids or their peers were educated in. Maybe you moved in the wrong circles.


The influx was for solely economic reasons. Nothing to do with the attractiveness of the UK (if you talk to many of them, they'll tell you bluntly that the money is better and the lifestyle is considerably worse!) - and as for Brits being 'sought after' - I can categorically say that apart from the private school educated, Cambridge attending elite - we have absolutely no interest in the rest. Why would we, when a Masters degree is the minimum standard for entry into many jobs here?

Look on the streets of any British city on a Friday night. Compare this to Europe - and you're telling me that Brits are better educated? Come on...

I agree we have issues, but these are down to lack of standards, not enforcing standards. Education is more accessible for the masses in the UK than in many other countries.



Really?

That would be the same country that produced Walesa, John Paul II, Copernicus, Marie Curie, Sikorsky, Chopin, Mickiewicz, Kieslowski, Max Factor, Michal Marks (of M&S), Malysz among many more?

Perhaps your ignorant comment goes to show how terrible British education actually is.

That is not a particularly long list is it?



Those who achieve academically in the UK often do so at the expense of social skills. All the independent studies are showing just that - that UK children are unhappy and growing up in an environment that measures their success in life by test scores and absolutely nothing else. Thankfully, Poland views the personal development of the individual as being just as important as their education.

Again you are making sweeping generalisations, many kids emerge as rounded indivuduals. If Poland is so great, and has such talent. why is there a need for econimic migration? Expend your energies fixing your own problems before turning your attention to ours.





I've managed it and most of my peers have managed it - without having to be bullied and intimidated over some clothes. If we can manage it, despite being a poorer country - what's the UK's excuse?

What you see as bullying and intimidation,(a ridiculous comment imo) I and many others see as preserving standards and zero tolerance.

mumps

krisskross wrote: »

Why does a child need FIVE blouses? My children only ever had either 2 blouses or shirts at a time, depending on sex. With 4 children the washing mchine was on every day anyway. We had 4 lots of uniform to buy, most from approved shops only but it was the price we paid for wanting our children to attend specific schools.

I would be very careful about complaining about cost and looking to run down the school. We want out children to be proud of their schools and not taking their parents prejudices and moans in on their first day.

My teenage daughter wore a clean blouse every day, she went to school FIVE days a week (is there some new convention that numbers are typed in capitals?) I don't propose to justify the way I organise my laundry to you. She is now at university, left school with six A levels, all grade A. I think I managed the relationship with the school OK thankyou.

PolishBigSpender

poet123 wrote:

There are many reasons kids are unhappy, education is the way out for many kids, and to achieve standards need to be mainbtained. The breakdown of family like is a bigger contributor to childhood unhappiness than strict uniform policy. It is niave, simplistic and rather silly to attribute childhood ills to school uniform issues.

The very fact that you place 'standards' above childrens wellbeing says a lot about where your priorities are. The fact that you even mention 'standards being maintained' suggests that you actually have no idea about alternative, progressive ideas which in practice prove to be far more successful.

School uniform is a product of a bygone era.

That description does not fit the system my kids or their peers were educated in. Maybe you moved in the wrong circles.

That would be why other people

As for 'moving in the wrong circles' - you can't get much more professional than biological research, can you? My circles were of highly educated people - and many of these people are very quick to condemn the UK's 'MUST TEST' approach.

You may have a very idealistic view of the environment in which your children were taught - but the fact that you demand that standards should be maintained suggests that you place standards and achievement above a sense of worth - which is something that every child should have.

I agree we have issues, but these are down to lack of standards, not enforcing standards. Education is more accessible for the masses in the UK than in many other countries.

Education is more accessible? That would be why England demands fees of over 3,000 pounds a year to study at university? In Poland, all full time education is free. Many part time studies are also subisidised regardless of financial circumstances. But we believe in education as being to educate people - not to achieve numbers in a league table.

That is not a particularly long list is it?

I could name many, many more. I chose those ones because anyone with a halfway decent education and interest in the world should know a thousand facts about each of them.

Again you are making sweeping generalisations, many kids emerge as rounded indivuduals. If Poland is so great, and has such talent. why is there a need for econimic migration? Expend your energies fixing your own problems before turning your attention to ours.

You might have missed the part with your excellent education that Poland was under communism for 44 years. Communism tends to ruin things for countries, in case you weren't aware of just how it works.

Economic migration is a simple fact of salaries being higher elsewhere. The fact that British people were cleaning the streets of Dublin or working on Irish construction sites is exactly the same thing.

What you see as bullying and intimidation,(a ridiculous comment imo) I and many others see as preserving standards and zero tolerance.

'Preserving standards' and 'zero tolerance'. These are children! They shouldn't be subjected to such nonsense at such an age, when they should be learning and growing as individuals. Let them make mistakes, rather than punishing them for the slightest misdeed - after all, how can someone learn if they're not allowed to make mistakes?

Zero tolerance and preserving standards is fine and well when we talk about crime. But we're talking about schoolchildren!

poet123

I think that what the poster was trying to say is that you chose to buy 5 blouses, it was not strictly necessary. Most people with families of 4 would do laundry every day, so 2 or 3 blouses would suffice for most people.