Save the Economy? SCRAP the NHS!

lynzpower

dervish wrote: »

Just to clarify - it is he workshy and the lazy, the underclasses and treh 'chav scum' (?) that should be kicked out.

Your sentence makes no sense.

lynzpower

Maybe they could make themselves some survival rafts and lash bits of wood together using vines, and live eat by scavenging from the sea, I can see it now, thousands of our "chav scum" bobbing around on the North sea!

Dervish can start by building a very long pier off Dover, and he can go around rounding each person up he doesnt like the look of, thier children of course, and thier elderly parents ( after all you dont get many chavs over the age of 70 do you?) and walk them out to the ocean to thier sure deaths.

After all you dont need to pay Funeral Benefit to any of them, and once dying at sea, you save the taxpayer an utter fortune in staff in the "births marriage & deaths " office, of course saving the land costs of burials and reducing our C02 emissions from the lack of cremations.

We can then be condemned by the whole of the world, and even No0rth Korea looks like a bastion of Human rights as compared to us. Never mind though, think of all the money we've saved :rolleyes:

The_Economist

dervish wrote: »

The vast majority of us pay more into the NHS than we will ever get out of it. It costs the country millions and billions of pounds.

SCRAP IT!

It is an outdated, anachronistic, white elephant.

We are the only country in the world with it! Why - becuase every other government realises that it costs TOO MUCH MONEY and that it WASTES money!

Knowing plenty of doctors, dentists etc I can tell you that all our taxes are being wasted on initiatives, ring binders of dtat, schemes etc. Too much middle management - not enough front line etc.

Solution is simple - abolish the NHS - the tax that people lose from their incomes could get them private health cover. If some of the lower classes prefer to smoke, drink or inject their incomes instead of paying for health care then damn them. They make their bed and they can lie in it,

In this ever deepening recession decent honest people who are hardworking or retired may jolly well ask "why should I subsidise the health of people?" They are right.

Its time as a country that individuals got responsibility of their own and didnt rely on the state to help them out!

The money saved on the NHS could go towards tax cuts and improving other infrastructure improvements such as widening motorways and a better and larger armed forces.

I have to say with respect that your arguement for scrapping the NHS is vey thin. If its the money from your tax that you are worried about getting frittered away the NHS is the least of your/our worries.
The reason for the laughing faces is because i found the last part of your post amusing.

dervish

uktyler wrote: »

Where would you send them?

I don't think any country wants our rejects.

In the good old days they could have been persuaded to go to the Dominions or the colonies. We would have been rid of the riff-raff and their status would have been increased by being in a new country.

Everyone wins.

However the loss of Empire has reduced this opportunity to deport people to overseas territories that we control.

Davesnave

dervish wrote: »

In the good old days they could have been persuaded to go to the Dominions or the colonies. We would have been rid of the riff-raff and their status would have been increased by being in a new country.

Everyone wins.

However the loss of Empire has reduced this opportunity to deport people to overseas territories that we control.

So, steal some countries, export all your undesirables to them, and everyone wins.

Hmmm, seems to be a moral problem in there somewhere, which is a pity, given that one must take the moral high ground to judge others in the first place.

setmefree2

dervish wrote: »

I think most people would prefer a rebate on their taxes and then be able to choose whether to pay for health cover or not.

Most people? Any proof for such a statement?

dervish wrote: »

I also know that most people in this country would agree that we need a major road building program - either more motorways or widening of existing ones.

Most people? Proof?

dervish wrote: »

No-one is interested in buses etc we need to be able to use cars and roads.

Proof?

dervish wrote: »

When people say we cant use cars as the roads are too crowded then I say - look we as a country are OVERCROWDED !!!!! In fact we should be incentivising certain groups of people to leave and make for sapce for the decent majority.

People like yourself wouldn't be missed:rotfl:

setmefree2

dervish wrote: »

Just to clarify - it is he workshy and the lazy, the underclasses and treh 'chav scum' (?) that should be kicked out.

Some people might consider that you to fit into this description. How would you feel if you were asked to leave the UK?

setmefree2

dervish wrote: »

In the good old days they could have been persuaded to go to the Dominions or the colonies. We would have been rid of the riff-raff and their status would have been increased by being in a new country.

Everyone wins.

However the loss of Empire has reduced this opportunity to deport people to overseas territories that we control.

purch

Most people? Any proof for such a statement?

:rotfl:Never thought we would hear dervish getting all "New Labour" on us !!!!

Telling us what "Most People" want is very Blairite :rolleyes:

Arcaine

I suspect that the people who are arguing against the NHS are the ones that either have had a bad experience or have not really made use of it so they feel they are "not getting their monies worth". Well I am happy to pay my tax and pay for the NHS, so there is one against (and against the road building, 0 for 2 so far in my book). I get private healthcare through my work which is nice but as yet not had to use it, in fact we cover every employee of the company as a benefit, however my family doesn't benefit from that. My son was born with a cystic kidney, and my wife while pregnant had obstetric cholestasis which can cause serious problems for mum and baby. In both cases we had the problem diagnosed and treated effectively by the NHS, no messing with insurance companies, no having to justify every little expense and having to divulge quite personal details to some person who is just looking to turn the claim down. That was several years ago and my lad is now 2 and a half and going on great no further treatment required, however the NHS is figured in our lives again when my wife’s smear came back abnormal. She is currently undergoing treatment, however it look as if it hasn't worked properly so she may have to go for some more. My sons operation took place in Bristol Childrens hospital and I for one would like to thank the staff there, they were all great, but the thing that strikes me was that there were some really sick kids there who may not of got the treatment they deserve if their parents didn't have medical insurance cover and I for one wouldn’t like to tell them that just because someone else’s parents have a little more money they can't have the treatment. However I am the first to say that I am sure the NHS wastes money and can probably do a better job of running itself, I am thinking of the failed IT expenditure in particular. But in my opinion, we would miss the NHS if it goes, especially if it is replaced by an American style insurance system. Would you like to pay more to an insurance company because you failed to go for a health check? Would you like to pay more insurance because your family has a history of heart disease, or cancer? Would you submit a DNA sample to an insurance company so they can check it and set your premium accordingly? (I know they don’t do that at the moment, but it’s certainly within the realms of possibility). Just to end on another thought, as wasteful as the NHS is this is at least partially offset by the fact the insurance company will seek to make profits on the premiums we pay.