parking fine on david lloyd car park

seadee

sporedude wrote: »

Not about the money, Admitting to using a disabled bay without the proper badge is basicly asking for it.

From the DofT site that was linked to in an earlier post

The Blue Badge Scheme does not apply to off-street car parks and enforcement of disabled persons' parking bays is therefore a matter for the individual owner or operator concerned.

So no need for a blue badge to park in this space.

seadee

BargainGalore wrote: »

So ist okay for lazy bums to park in disabled badge holders. Get told off or having huge signs dont stop lazy bums parking in blue badge spaces. Only way is to fine them

Disabled people have a difficult enough life as it is without lazy bums, one day they may become disabled and see how life is easy for them

I have not seen anyone suggesting to the OP or anyone else that what they did was okay.
Just that they need not pay any money for so doing.

BargainGalore

Then what do you expect is a deterrent to stop them, signage doesn't work as it clearly didnt here nor does it in most places I see

seadee wrote: »

I have not seen anyone suggesting to the OP or anyone else that what they did was okay.
Just that they need not pay any money for so doing.

seadee

BargainGalore wrote: »

Then what do you expect is a deterrent to stop them, signage doesn't work as it clearly didnt here nor does it in most places I see

I agree, people ignore signs all the time, for all sorts for things

You could have a dedicated disabled parking area with a barrier which could only be opened by those with the appropriate pass/token. Visitors could obtain pass/token by showing the management their entitlement to park there.

There may well be other means, just thought of that

lesley1960

I admit to parking in the mothers and toddlers spaces at David Lloyd , where do I line up to be shot please ( although in my defence it is at 6am )

lesley1960

BargainGalore wrote: »

So its okay for lazy bums to park in disabled badge holders. Get told off or having huge signs up, dont stop lazy bums parking in blue badge spaces. Only way is to fine them, he got what he deseves. If they dont pay I hope the company terminates his membership, serves them right

Disabled people have a difficult enough life as it is without lazy bums, one day they may become disabled and see how life is easy for them

He did the crime now he must pay

Ha ha !! this is David Lloyd we are talking about :rolleyes:

In the Op's defense I have never seen a disabled space been used at our club yet

Coblcris

As the DfT themselves commence in that linked web page:- "The Blue Badge Scheme does not apply to off-street car parks and enforcement of disabled persons' parking bays is therefore a matter for the individual owner or operator concerned.

The putative financial cost to which you refer is to the landowner not to people using the car park. I am sorry but your posts on this are very misleading in my opinion.

seadee

Coblcris wrote: »

As the DfT themselves commence in that linked web page:- "The Blue Badge Scheme does not apply to off-street car parks and enforcement of disabled persons' parking bays is therefore a matter for the individual owner or operator concerned.

The putative financial cost to which you refer is to the landowner not to people using the car park. I am sorry but your posts on this are very misleading in my opinion.

Whose posts?

Coblcris

seadee wrote: »

Whose posts?

DCodd. Post number 20.
There was an expected flurry (storm ?) of posts in between !
Nevertheless I should have quoted.

DCodd

seadee wrote: »

From the link you posted (my bold)

In private off-street car parks, such as those at supermarkets, the position is more complicated. These car parks are private property and the charges and conditions of use are essentially a contractual matter between the owner and the motorist. In such car parks, spaces marked for badge holders only are in most cases not legally enforceable, but depend on the courtesy and consideration of other drivers. Company employees could ask a non-disabled driver to move their car from a space set aside for disabled people but they might not be in a position to insist upon it.
However, it is the Department's view that it is also possible in law for the owners of a private car park to agree with the local authority that a parking place order be made in respect of that car park. Conditions of use can then be enforced as if it were a local authority car park, with penalties or excess charges levied on offenders. Such an agreement, which would enable the local authority to make an order regulating the use of the disabled persons' parking spaces or the entire car park, does not require the land to be transferred by sale or lease to the local authority. Parking not authorised under the terms of the order, for instance, parking in reserved spaces would be an offence. To be effective, any arrangement along these lines would naturally require commitments from the local authority in terms of enforcement activity.


Was the car park under the control of the local authority?
Not from what the OP has said as I understand it so the "fine" as issued is a worthless piece of paper.


Only in a medical emergency would I think that parking in a disabled bay was acceptable

The Department is also supporting 'Baywatch', a coalition of the major supermarkets and disability organisations (including the Disabled Drivers' Association, Disabled Drivers' Motor Club and the British Polio Fellowship). The campaign is committed to encouraging more protection of disabled persons' parking bays in retail car parks from abuse by non-disabled drivers.
Finally, Part 3 of The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 requires service providers to take reasonable steps to ensure that disabled people do not find it impossible, or unreasonably difficult, to enjoy the service on the same basis as non-disabled people. This will have implications for car park operators, who may have to demonstrate that as well as marking out disabled persons' parking spaces, they have taken reasonable steps to ensure that they are available to disabled people.

This suggests that the DFT is supporting the penalisation of drivers who park in these spaces, does it not?

the precedent set 94 years ago would not be overturned but it may be regarded as not applicable where the The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 may have some bearing Its just a point of view.

It is always good to try and put holes in a long held belief as it will re-inforce its position if proved to still stand. No?