MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Would you give up a £50 train seat for a pregnant woman?

Catwoman_Kent

Agree completely with the others. as she knew she was pregnant she should have thought ahead and booked.

theladyknows

Would give the seat up no problem but would hesitate for a few minutes incase somebody else is kind enough to be the hero first.
It is are duty to look after people less able that's why its called a society.

smk77

jimxc28 wrote: »

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Taxpayers will be paying towards the cost of her child??

How on earth can this idiotic person say this, where has she got this information? My wife has been pregnant for 7months now and the Tax payer hasn't had to pay anything. She uses the NHS just like you do. She pays her NI contributions and TAX, possibly like you do, but possibly you don't. Perhaps you're not a tax payer and have no idea about it or anything, because it certainly sounds like that. When our daughter is born, we will be paying for her food, clothes, education and everything. What is the tax payer going to pay for??????? Did you forget, you stupid down right brainless fool that you were a child once and your mother was pregnant??????

I think what the poster was getting at is that SMP, Child Benefit and Tax credits are paid for by the tax payer. Also, prescriptions are free when pregnant. Plus, your wife will have cost the tax payer with NHS checkup, scans etc. But, as a tax payer herself, it has absolutely nothing to do with others if she is using the services that she is has already contributed to.

What really annoys me about people who make the "tax payers pay for you child" claim is that if they didn't pay for things like their education etc then why should these children do anything for these people in the future when they are old and need doctors, nurses, home helps etc.

smk77

Catwoman_Kent wrote: »

Agree completely with the others. as she knew she was pregnant she should have thought ahead and booked.

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What a silly women she was! Perhaps she had to take the journey at short notice though? Did you think about that because you should have before making assumptions!

arfortune

The national rail terms and conditions of travel http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdfstate (Section G. point 39) that basically if Standard calss is full and with the guard's ok you can sit in 1st class until space becomes free or it's required by someone with a 1st class ticket!

In addition most train companies seem to have a policy of letting pregnant women have a 1st class seat if no others available.

Surely it's just basic manners to offer the seat...you can claim a refund later for poor service from the TOC

Waynaldo

jimxc28 wrote: »

I would also give up my seat as soon as I saw her! Simple.

I am absolutely & utterly speechless after reading so many posters wrote that they blatantly wouldn't offer her a seat. "She should have booked..etc etc". Yes, she should have, but she didn't obviously, perhaps there was a reason why she didn't! This is not a reason to punish her. Like another poster said, you obviously have never experienced being pregnant, my wife is so currently and she can not stand for too long without feeling faint. How utterly ignorant and appalling are you people who would refuse. You would sit there on your comfortable cushioned seat, just so your legs don't hurt and just ignore her, watching her having to hang onto the railings, almost losing her footing. Your mothers were pregnant once, would you do or let the same happen to her. What if she fell over and thus miscarried, all because you wanted to sit. Complete scum ignorant arrogant selfish people. Typical state of many people in this county.

What's this about pregnant women living on state handouts?? Where did this come from! My wife is certainly not on any handouts, she runs her own teaching business and is still doing it. She receives the complementary packs and that's it. She works bloody hard! Also i'd like to mention, we have foreign students who sit and she stands. On many occasions she has felt faint and one of them has *rushed* to get her a seat. She doesn't expect it, she doesn't ask them; "look you lot, i'm "up the duff" (as some ignorant put it") if i feel rough, you better get me a seat", no, they just do it automatically, cos they're human/normal! The state of some English people is horrific.

someone said:
"Not being funny, but it was your choice to become pregnant. Why should others make concessions for your decision? When I was pregnant, I never expected others to do this for me."

Why should others make concessions for your decision?? It's not a concession, it's a bloody act of good faith you ignorant person. Horrific comment!! My wife doesn't expect people to bend over backwards for her at all, but we ALL should help one another to live, but that's the issue here, seen clearly on this thread; in this country only a minority actually care about their fellow man, the rest couldn't care less. It's a sad, sorry state of affairs and disgraceful at that.

This woman is bringing new life into the world, leave your stereotypical views that she is a just another pregnant single benefit scrounger behind ("living on state handouts"). She is pregnant. simple. pregnant. The miracle of life! The one way humans are brought into this world. The baby is very fragile and so is she, show some decency, compassion and normality! Wait until you have a serious accident, perhaps you will lose a leg and need to sit down on a similar journey, not being able to book prior for example...you WILL want to sit and you WOULD like it if someone offered their seat and you WOULD hope that someone would do it!!!-guaranteed.

IT'S ONLY A SEAT! WE'RE HUMANS AND HAVE LEGS AND A SPINE AND CAN STAND FOR HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!! In Auschwitz there were 1m square cells where 4 prisoners were crammed in and forced to stand all night!!

I praise the people on here who would offer their seats and spit disgust at the others who would refuse.

I totally agree, common sense and most importantly respect from jimxc28:T:beer::j:A

runmichellerun

I was once stood on a crowded bus in San Francisco when an elderly lady got on. Nobody moved so a man at the front with a walking stick whacked a (sat down) teenager on the legs and shouted at him to 'MOVE, you inconsiderate little ****'. That made me laugh a LOT. Americans just don't care

Yes, I would give up my seat for a pregnant/elderly/disabled person, and I have done so in the past. However, I think where possible any pregnant lady should have the forethought to book. I understand this isn't always possible though.

I've also given up a reserved seat for a middle aged lady who was sat in the seat when I got on the train. This was under the understanding that she move once other seats became available.

Maybe I'm just too nice for my own good?

honeybee2704

I think it would be almost impossible for anyone to stand in the same spot for 5 hours! I would offer to share my seat, say in half hour slots and hopefully all the other booked seat owners would do the same. That way the pregnant lady gets to sit for 5 hours and the ones with the booked seats only have to stand for half an hour or less.

shoopi

Most of us at some point in our lives will need to rely on the kindness of a stranger, whether it's on our own behalf because we're hurt or in trouble or made vulnerable by illness or misfortune, or on behalf of a loved one. Thankfully, this thread has proved that there are still people out there who will help a fellow human being in need.

Thank you to all of you who said yes.

graemecarter

You pay to travel on the train, not the seat. The money is an irrelevance

Of course I would offer, but I would realistically wait a few minutes to see if someone more charitable than me would offer first.