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Toothsmith wrote: »But 100+ posts without a single 'thanks' from anyone must be some sort of record!
It would seem that everybody can see your motivation for being here.
How did the dentist become a brain surgeon? His drill slipped.0 -
Is there a tumbleweed smiley?How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0 -
The EU Committee has considered the EU law infringement petition and decided
the matters raised are admissible and have started an investigation.
The Committee began its examination and decided to ask the EU commission to conduct an investigation.
The recent High Court hearing has many flaws.0 -
The law is the law . Lorna Jamous was found guilty of illegal practice of dentistry by offering tooth whitening by two high court judges. She has been remitted back to the magistrates court for sentencing. This has established case law.
Allegedly she wants to appeal to the supreme court , but for this to happen she has to be given leave to appeal, and as yet there has been no sign of that happening. Until and if she successfully appeals to the supreme court the law has been established and magistrates are obliged to follow case law.
Two high court judges have considered the law and the case , and as it stands tooth whitening is the usual practice of dentistry no matter what chemical or system is used if you pay someone who is not a dentist or a hygienist/dental therapist working to a dentists prescription to whiten teeth they are breaking the law.
Elsewhere on this forum people are telling of being ripped off by companies still selling illegal whitening business packages that can never be legally used.0 -
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brook2jack wrote: »The law is the law . Lorna Jamous was found guilty of illegal practice of dentistry by offering tooth whitening by two high court judges. She has been remitted back to the magistrates court for sentencing. This has established case law.
Allegedly she wants to appeal to the supreme court , but for this to happen she has to be given leave to appeal, and as yet there has been no sign of that happening. Until and if she successfully appeals to the supreme court the law has been established and magistrates are obliged to follow case law.
Two high court judges have considered the law and the case , and as it stands tooth whitening is the usual practice of dentistry no matter what chemical or system is used if you pay someone who is not a dentist or a hygienist/dental therapist working to a dentists prescription to whiten teeth they are breaking the law.
Elsewhere on this forum people are telling of being ripped off by companies still selling illegal whitening business packages that can never be legally used.
Even the GDC state every case is different and must be proven:
"Each complaint has to be reviewed and assessed by the Illegal Practice team. Bringing a criminal case takes time and utilises resources. We often encounter delays and difficulties such as witnesses withdrawing their support. Sending us advertisements about people offering tooth whitening illegally is a good starting point but this is not sufficient evidence to launch a criminal prosecution. We have to identify the individuals involved and gather evidence of any offences taking place. This requires witness visits, statement taking and in some instances site visits. We also undertake interviews of those suspected of illegal practice, just as the police do when they investigate a criminal offence."
EU law overrides the Supreme court. We shall see how the law develops.
Dentists/laymen are not lawyers and should not give advice unless they are qualified to do so.
Everything said here is merely an opinion and no-one here as far as I am aware is an authority in the legal system including me.
However, I do seem to know more than dentists about the law due to
my considerable experience in helping people with legal matters in a variety of areas.
Not all teeth whitening companies operate identically. Some dentists break the Cosmetic Regulation legislation (using more than 6% peroxide), but hopefully the majority
don't.
It is wrong to tar everyone in an industry with the same brush. Dental professionals on this site are behaving immorally and unprofessionally when they make false, general claims and, in doing so bring their profession into disrepute.
I would simply advise consumers to get regular dental advice and ensure they have sight of the product ingredients as well as the product safety certificate.
For anyone contemplating buying a Teeth Whitening business, I would advise get some legal advice or wait for the outcome of the EU investigation/Supreme Court appeal.0 -
For anyone thinking of having whitening read nhs advice http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/dentalhealth/Pages/teeth-whitening.aspxand look at the "success" pictures of illegal whiteners posted here http://m.facebook.com/StampOutIllegalToothWhitening?id=592837014076636&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch&_rdr
The prosecutions have nothing to do with the substance used, they are about the act of tooth whitening, the substance used has never even been mentioned.
If you are thinking of spending thousands of pounds on a tooth whitening business that is illegal according to the High Court then you would be foolish in the extreme.
People continue to be damaged by illegal whiteners who have no idea of the harm they've caused , just look at the photos posted by businesses some of whom train others and act as regulators to illegal tooth whiteners . They is a small selection on stamp out but thousands more can be seen on the websites of illegal whiteners.0 -
Teethwhiteninguk wrote:I would simply advise consumers to get regular dental advice and ensure they have sight of the product ingredients as well as the product safety certificate.
Well this seems to be a bit of an ironic turn of events!
Back in March when you were hailing the work of some Mythical Dr Ginger (about page 104 if anyone's bothered) and when pushed to reveal the ingredients of said product, you claim to have 'forgotten' them, although you knew for certain they weren't the useless or dangerous chemicals sometimes used for tooth whitening or the one dentists use on prescription.Teethwhiteninguk wrote: »The ingredients were on the packaging, which have since been discarded.
I know it did not include perborate, carbamide peroxide, peroxide or bicarb.
Pleasant experience, no side effects and treatment took 25 minutes.
Nice result.
It is a real shame that this packet was discarded - as now this safe, effective, quick tooth whitening product seems to have been lost to science for good!
Such a shame!How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0 -
Anyone hear the article on the Jeremy Vine show this lunchtime on R2?
Confirmed the illegality of it being carried out by non-dentists, and deafening silence from any beauticians ringing in to defend their position.How to find a dentist.
1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.0
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