Why was IMMMIGRATION ignored in the budget>?

beer_tins

neas wrote: »

The immigrants wouldnt get jobs if english workers wouldnt be so lazy not to do the jobs they fill. Most immigrants either fill skilled jobs.. that we aint got enough people to do... or do menial jobs english are too 'posh' to do.. like farming and fruit picking.

Absolutely. Don't know if you saw the item on BBC2 about the Lincolnshire town where farmers were hiring Lithuanians at £8 an hour (and even then struggling to get enough). In the same piece they were interviewing local lads leaving the town's job centre who were saying they don't want to do menial work for £8 an hour and they don't want to work with foreigners. Why on earth are they getting jobseekers allowance? Surely if there are local jobs you are able to do you should be made to take them of forfeit your jobseekers allowance. If they feel they are made for better things/want to work in another industry they should get the training/move to an area where that work exists. !!!!!!, Lincolnshire is farm country and these lads thought it was beneath them to do the work that was good enough for their fathers and grandfathers. There is something seriously wrong with that. Ending the option of "benefits as a career" is the first vital step to reducing (at the moment necessary) the number of low-skill manual migrant workers.

bluey890

neas wrote: »

The immigrants wouldnt get jobs if english workers wouldnt be so lazy not to do the jobs they fill. Most immigrants either fill skilled jobs.. that we aint got enough people to do... or do menial jobs english are too 'posh' to do.. like farming and fruit picking.

Your heartless approach to the unemployed is very sad.

Labeling the unemployed as lazy will achieve nothing.

Better to give them the right incentives, training and job opportunities imo.

beer_tins

bluey890 wrote: »

Your heartless approach to the unemployed is very sad.

Labeling the unemployed as lazy will achieve nothing.

Better to give them the right incentives, training and job opportunities imo.

Not all English unemployed workers are lazy. Certainly not the ones recently made redundant. But there are a huge number of "never worked" young people with little education who I believe should take work available to them if they are able to do it. The ones that just don't fancy working should have their benefits withdrawn.

I agree that job training etc. is good, but again those that can't be bothered need to live in the real world and look for work they are able to do.

bluey890

beer_tins wrote: »

Not all English unemployed workers are lazy. Certainly not the ones recently made redundant. But there are a huge number of "never worked" young people with little education who I believe should take work available to them if they are able to do it. The ones that just don't fancy working should have their benefits withdrawn.

I agree that job training etc. is good, but again those that can't be bothered need to live in the real world and look for work they are able to do.

Labeling people is bad. Many may be lazy, but many have been failed by the education system. When making statements it's important for neas to be precise. Else the statement is not dissimilar to the all migrants are bad group.

If they are better of not working, they are living in the real world, in fact it's rather MSE of them. It's the system that needs changing...

ETA: I agree with a majority of what you're saying.

pardal51

beer_tins wrote: »

Absolutely. Don't know if you saw the item on BBC2 about the Lincolnshire town where farmers were hiring Lithuanians at £8 an hour (and even then struggling to get enough). In the same piece they were interviewing local lads leaving the town's job centre who were saying they don't want to do menial work for £8 an hour and they don't want to work with foreigners. Why on earth are they getting jobseekers allowance? Surely if there are local jobs you are able to do you should be made to take them of forfeit your jobseekers allowance. If they feel they are made for better things/want to work in another industry they should get the training/move to an area where that work exists. !!!!!!, Lincolnshire is farm country and these lads thought it was beneath them to do the work that was good enough for their fathers and grandfathers. There is something seriously wrong with that. Ending the option of "benefits as a career" is the first vital step to reducing (at the moment necessary) the number of low-skill manual migrant workers.

You forgot to mention that on this programme one of the lads says: "I don't want to work with foreigners, I'm British mate....and then opens a can of Stella". Government should ask something back from this people, i.e., get your benefits but if you don't want to work in a farm, clean the streets for the council, help the elderly, etc as a payback for the money, WE taxpayers, are providing for these lazy people.

bluey890

I see another sensible discussion on migration has turned into a bash those on benefits thread.

Not all people on benefits are lazy.

Generali

bluey890 wrote: »

I see another sensible discussion on migration has turned into a bash those on benefits thread.

Not all people on benefits are lazy.

My opinion FWIW is that unemployment benefits should be time limited and on a declining scale.

TBH it didn't start off as that sensible a discussion on migration. It started as a rant and just kinda degenerated from there.

ninky_2

bluey890 wrote: »

Sometimes Dervish comes from the green sustainable resource point of view. Which does make me feel a little uneasy, to find Dervish standing on similar ground.
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so did hitler. people with some bad ideas can also have some good ones. a person is not their beliefs. this is why it important to separate the ideology from the person.

bluey890

A person is defined by their actions and beliefs.

Immigration needs to be limited for the country to be sustainable, not all those on benefits are lazy. That's me done.

Too many tabloid posting on here, which stifle proper debate imho.

bo_drinker

dervish wrote: »

I was shicked and dismayed to see that IMMIGRATION was completely ignored in the budget.

Surely one way to redress the current fiscal inequalities would be to ensure that immigrants cannot just waltz over here and acrue a wage and take it back out of the country again.

A end to immigratyion would save this country BILLIONS and start to heal the massive social divides and tragedies that have occrurred with undchecked immigration. Justr look at the huge social issues in Burnley, Oldham, Mnachester etc. These race wars have been caused by just letting in anyone and not thinking about how it affaects the indigioeous population.

I am saddened that the goverment have again bottled this issue.

You can't go upsetting Johnny foreigner nowadays it's politically incorrect. :rotfl: