Why was IMMMIGRATION ignored in the budget>?

vivatifosi

StevieJ wrote: »

Why do you assume all racists are men :eek: I think Dervish is of female persuasion, may be wrong though.

I thought so too. I think Derv referred to her husband in a previous post.

bluey890

Wookster wrote: »

You'll see, Dervish simply cannot argue. He will simply avoid any pointed questions.

I have tried in the past, it has never worked.

Sometimes Dervish comes from the green sustainable resource point of view. Which does make me feel a little uneasy, to find Dervish standing on similar ground.

Dervish seems to like being attacked, I'm usually content to discuss topics on merits rather than insult. Plus I'm not sure how many more of these I can take.

beer_tins

What about legal immigrants that have moved here permanently? They pay tax on what they earn and everything they spend. And British people haven't had to pay for their education, healthcare etc. before they came here to work. They keep their money here. As "race riots" and social integration are being thrown around, let's assume they are white, Christian and speak good English. Any problem with them?

You never hear about these immigrants because "White Christian immigrant goes to work and pays taxes" doesn't make a good headline in the Daily Hail. Yet there must be a fair proportion of immigrants that fall into this category.

Generali

bluey890 wrote: »

They do project the economy however, and I presume population dynamics is included. So there is a link, albeit a non direct one.

That's very tenuous if true, strictly speaking.

The budget is about every single Government action that results in taxation being raised or money spent but it only apportions the money, it doesn't actually set the policy although it obviously supports those policies.

robin_banks

skint,single_mum_of_4 wrote: »

I'm sorry but i have got to agree with this too,i'm from Manchester, nr Oldham.and ive seen 1st had what has happened there.
also in my area there a van that go's around full of illegal Polish imigrants,there door knockin, offering to do anything from cleaning yr garden to decorating etc..this is taking food out of the mouths of the local trades men !

By definition a Polish worker cannot be an 'illegal' as they are legally entitled to work here. Have any 'indigenous' locals offered to do such work, I would suggest not.

If they working and paying taxes what is the issue.

I'm from Manchester, nr Oldham :rotfl:

beer_tins

Generali wrote: »

That's very tenuous if true, strictly speaking.

The budget is about every single Government action that results in taxation being raised or money spent but it only apportions the money, it doesn't actually set the policy although it obviously supports those policies.

Agreed. The budget is not the place to set all government policy that effects the economy - which could be applied to any policy you can think of. The budget is there to set out plans to cut or increase income and/or expenditure and general policy of how that might be achieved e.g. changes to tax structures, plus some specific policies.

The government should then take into account these budgetary aims when setting policy, but it can't be the only consideration. Besides, mainstream studies suggest that immigration helps the economy, so going by the opinion of experts, the government should encourage more immigration if the economy is the only consideration.

Maybe the OP knows more than the experts about the net contribution of immigrants though, so I eagerly await the breakdown of figures to back this up.

vivatifosi

beer_tins wrote: »

Maybe the OP knows more than the experts about the net contribution of immigrants though, so I eagerly await the breakdown of figures to back this up.

Based on the OP's previous postings I'd pull up a comfy chair, you may have quite a wait.

kennyboy66_2

Many of you would find this book a cracking read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bloody-Foreigners-Robert-Winder/dp/0349115664

It tracks the story of immingrants into this country throughout the ages. Dutch, Irish, Flemish, French, German, African, Asian, Carribean, Jewish, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic immigrants- its all in here.

(Dervish - you might not like it).

bluey890

beer_tins wrote: »

Maybe the OP knows more than the experts about the net contribution of immigrants though, so I eagerly await the breakdown of figures to back this up.

Do migrants add to economic growth?

Yes but they also add to population.
In a recent parliamentary debate, a Home Office Minister gave an official estimate that "migration has increased output by at least £4 billion and (accounts for) 10 - 15% of economic trend growth" But the Government had failed to take into account the addition to population. In 2005 net immigration was 185,000 which, on a population of 60 million, is 0.31%. At the same time the government’s estimate of £4 billion on a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of approximately £1,250 billion is 0.32%. The benefit in terms of GDP per head is therefore trivial – about 0.01% of GDP or just 4p per head per week – less than a Mars bar per month.
As for the claim that migration accounts for 10 - 15% of trend growth, the result is the same. Trend growth is 2.5% so 10-15% of trend growth is 0.25% to 0.375% of GDP. The effect on GDP per head is therefore a small negative or positive amount.
Other recent studies in the UK, and studies carried out in other countries, point to the same conclusion – namely that immigration makes little difference to GDP per head.

bluey890

From a personal point of view, I don't like the idea of living in a country with a high population density, where its green spaces are either concreted over or used for farmland.

Ironically, if it continues, my partner and I may up sticks and move to a more spacious one with stronger border control, perhaps Australia for example.

We are both well educated and highly skilled - precisely the type of people the country should be trying to retain.