Why was IMMMIGRATION ignored in the budget>?

mrmitchell78

The race riots were not caused by illegal immigrants - they were caused by people who were born in this country and are BRITISH.

Yes, illegal immigration has caused problems but attributing the riots to them is the simply the view of someone who decides that someone with a different skin colour is an immigrant.

lostinrates

mrposhman wrote: »

The OP has a point in that money earnt in the UK is transferred out of the UK to other countries though whatever he feels needs to be done will need far more money thrown at it to monitor it than what we would probably recover anyway.

Money moving out of the UK (after normal living expenses) does not provide the taxman with taxes on savings or investments nor on purchases when these are made. All the taxes will go to those in other countries.

The other side of me thinks, that they have earnt the money fair and square, why should we be able to dictate where people spend their money? For example, you may well take 3 holidays a year where the money spent on these is earnt in the UK but contributing to someone elses tax revenues.

Its a difficult one and most definately left on the bank burner for now.

Don't rule out taxes on transfers out of the country though this will have to be on all nationalities, not just those who aren't british citizens therefore I don't see it really taking off to be honest.

Not only this, but Brits can be found working in pretty much every other country in the world, whether as shorter contract workers, in which case a lot of that oney still coes ''home'' or as settlers in another country: in which case we still lose the work power of those brits we have supported through childhood. I have no idea of the difference in numbers. Perhaps we should teach the contracting brits to live ore frugally instead ofn enjoying the difference of quality of life so they can bring more back.

I genuinely agree imigration merits discussion, but the problem is, here, with certain people unable to see the complex picture, it ends up being misleading, and preventing those of us who might have concerns on numbers and fiscal matters, as opposed to xenophobic gut reaction, raising our concerns so as not to add fuel to the fire.

Incidently; DH has been offered both a short term placement overseas and a longer term one. If we take them up are we not as guilty of deriving our mother country as an immigrant coming here for a job where tx will be paid here?

skint,single_mum_of_4

dervish wrote: »

I was shicked and dismayed to see that IMMIGRATION was completely ignored in the budget.

Surely one way to redress the current fiscal inequalities would be to ensure that immigrants cannot just waltz over here and acrue a wage and take it back out of the country again.

A end to immigratyion would save this country BILLIONS and start to heal the massive social divides and tragedies that have occrurred with undchecked immigration. Justr look at the huge social issues in Burnley, Oldham, Mnachester etc. These race wars have been caused by just letting in anyone and not thinking about how it affaects the indigioeous population.

I am saddened that the goverment have again bottled this issue.

I'm sorry but i have got to agree with this too,i'm from Manchester, nr Oldham.and ive seen 1st had what has happened there.
also in my area there a van that go's around full of illegal Polish imigrants,there door knockin, offering to do anything from cleaning yr garden to decorating etc..this is taking food out of the mouths of the local trades men !

lostinrates

skint,single_mum_of_4 wrote: »

full of illegal Polish imigrants,!

Why ''illegal''?

ninky_2

dervish wrote: »

1. ILLEGAL immigrants do not pay taxes - it is impossible.

2 Legal immigrants (the minority of immigrants) then proceed to take their net income out of the country which is very bad for the UK.

3. Th erace riots of the Nprthern English cities of the last 10 years highlight the perils of unchecked immigration. The social and cultural threads have been ripped apart from ghettoisation and civil breakdown.

4. A more long-term approach would be to incentivise the indigineous population to work (either through rewards or sanctions) so that this once proud country does not havr to shamefully rely on immigration to fill gaps in the labour market.

1. illegal immigrants do pay tax. my OH paid tax as an asylum seeker. whether all NI and income tax deducted from wage slips makes it to the inland revenue i don't know but this is employer fraud not employee fraud. they also pay VAT on goods and services they buy, council tax etc. all this despite having no right to benefits or treatment on NHS.

2. if legal immigrants take all their net pay out of the country what are they using to pay for accommodation, food, bills, transport etc? it is not just immigrants who take money out of the country. what about those with property overseas or brits who send money out of the country (icesave for example). also many goods and services will be from foreign owned companies or imported from overseas.

3. race riots are a result of racist attitudes and behaviour, often on both sides. the only way to eliminate these is through more immigration and mixing, not less immigration and segregation as you seem to call for.

4. "this once proud country". please! when was this? when UK was building up its economy through exploiting overseas territory in the form of empire building? yes lets send home all the foreign people and influences that have come to the uk. i think you'd find it a bit of a miserable place. we wouldn't even have potatoes.....

bluey890

Generali wrote: »

Because the Finance Bill sets taxation and spending levels for the current year. Immigration is dealt with separately.

They do project the economy however, and I presume population dynamics is included. So there is a link, albeit a non direct one.

bluey890

matbe wrote: »

ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!!

Racist bigot on the loose.

Xenophobia isn't the same as racism.

ninky_2

mrmitchell78 wrote: »

The race riots were not caused by illegal immigrants - they were caused by people who were born in this country and are BRITISH.

Yes, illegal immigration has caused problems but attributing the riots to them is the simply the view of someone who decides that someone with a different skin colour is an immigrant.

people like dervish have trouble grasping that a black or brown person can actually be british with just as much right to live here as them. hey, a black or brown person might even be prime minister one day, or parent of a future monarch.

misskool

dervish wrote: »

1. ILLEGAL immigrants do not pay taxes - it is impossible.

2 Legal immigrants (the minority of immigrants) then proceed to take their net income out of the country which is very bad for the UK.

3. Th erace riots of the Nprthern English cities of the last 10 years highlight the perils of unchecked immigration. The social and cultural threads have been ripped apart from ghettoisation and civil breakdown.

4. A more long-term approach would be to incentivise the indigineous population to work (either through rewards or sanctions) so that this once proud country does not havr to shamefully rely on immigration to fill gaps in the labour market.

I'll bite

1, illegal immigrants pay VAT? They also pay NI and income tax, especially when they use someone else's NI number to find work. They aren't depriving the government of more tax than your handy local english trades man who works for cash in hand (ssshhh), or the crafty ones on benefits who does part time jobs for cash while cashing in their JSA or disabilities benefits

2, legal immigrants pay for their right to come to this country (you should see how much the government charges for visa processing), they pay taxes, buy houses and bring up their children here. Highly skilled migrants fill knowledge gaps in the economy and train english workers for a specific skill set that may not have existed here before. By removing people who are highly qualified, you are reducing the competitive edge that this country needs right now.

I'll take bets that dervish won't be bothered to post a constructive reply to these points. He never has.

bluey890

ninky wrote: »

1. illegal immigrants do pay tax. my OH paid tax as an asylum seeker. whether all NI and income tax deducted from wage slips makes it to the inland revenue i don't know but this is employer fraud not employee fraud. they also pay VAT on goods and services they buy, council tax etc. all this despite having no right to benefits or treatment on NHS.

Not everyone that pays taxes contributes more to the economy than they take. Look at Gordon Brown for example.

ninky wrote: »

2. if legal immigrants take all their net pay out of the country what are they using to pay for accommodation, food, bills, transport etc?

Not all their pay.

ninky wrote: »

3. race riots are a result of racist attitudes and behaviour, often on both sides. the only way to eliminate these is through more immigration and mixing, not less immigration and segregation as you seem to call for.

Or the feeling that a homeless migrant with children has jumped ahead of you in the housing queue. Not racism. Competition for limited resources.

ninky wrote: »

4. "this once proud country". please! when was this? when UK was building up its economy through exploiting overseas territory in the form of empire building?

The empire was built on trade, hence the 'commonwealth'.