Why was IMMMIGRATION ignored in the budget>?

vivatifosi

Topov wrote: »

the likes of me and dervish have no chance cos we are white and male. women also get more chances than us cos of leeg tables. its a disgrase.

Oh yeah. Who'd want to be a white male with that amount of discrimination :rolleyes:. My heart bleeds.

bendix

Topov, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with dervish (shudders at the thought).

You're obviously a troll and while I applaud the intentions behind what you're doing, your technique is slipping and its turning into parady which is actually doing more damage than good.

meher

parodying should seek to challenge thoughts and not to provoke ill-feelings

jojo1964

meher wrote: »

As a first, what's sent out or taken back is only by a minority who aren't settled in the UK, and it's just a fraction of the growth to the economy they contribute to. Also this pound sterling is of no use in any other countries as they have their own currency.

So, it is exchanged for the local currency which means the pound sterling is being returned to the country because someone has used it.

Now it would be a problem if someone is hoarding it in a biscuit tin but that is not what people are working so hard for - they want a good living and to live well the money is spent, so one way or the other it makes it's way back here.

If you really are concerned then turn to the bigwigs & companies of Britain who invest abroad.

Could you clarify that? any figures you have to support it?

meher

jojo1964 wrote: »

Could you clarify that? any figures you have to support it?

No & No. Let's first explore the claims that there's a lot syphoned and that it is affecting the economy then I shall consider backing up my post with facts and figures.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

Oh yeah. Who'd want to be a white male with that amount of discrimination :rolleyes:. My heart bleeds.

Unfortunately, one of the problems with PC etc is that it provides genuine ammunition for the racists.

TBH, I can see why white working classes feel betrayed by their country. They've been priced out of the countryside almost entirely and have found their communities broken up by misguided housing policies. They've then found standards of education steadily eroded and the chance of a decent job harder to attain.

IMO, the target of the angst is misguided. They should be looking at the people who destroyed their communities, advocated preferment to particular groups and reduced education standards so nobody could fail. By that I mean the Labour Party.

dervish

Generali wrote: »

Unfortunately, one of the problems with PC etc is that it provides genuine ammunition for the racists.

TBH, I can see why white working classes feel betrayed by their country. They've been priced out of the countryside almost entirely and have found their communities broken up by misguided housing policies. They've then found standards of education steadily eroded and the chance of a decent job harder to attain.

IMO, the target of the angst is misguided. They should be looking at the people who destroyed their communities, advocated preferment to particular groups and reduced education standards so nobody could fail. By that I mean the Labour Party.

I would agree that those who feel aggrieved should look to a political solution.

If they are blaming the current political parties for causing the problems then it also seems rational that they should seek a political solution from the one political party that appears to advocate direct solutions to immigration - namely the BNP.

I am no BNP supporter but you can understand that people vote for them not looking to blame foreigners per se but to elect someone who can reverse the problems that unchecked immigration has caused.

The fact that racist attacks in this country are so rare suggests that the majority of people do wish to use democracy - ie voting for a party - to solve problems and that they do no go out in vigilante gangs burning down Moslem houses. I trust the great British public are more intelligent and caring than thhat.

After all look how many people have been labelled as racists in this thread alone! and yet this is a discussion platform for ideas - we debate. I dont think anyone here is guilty of any racist incitement or violence in the greater community , yet some have been labelled Nazis by people such as Blathering Dad, which is an evil, abhorrent and sickening insult.

It seems tolerance is in general short supply from all sides?

bendix

You may or may not be a racist dervish - I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But anyone who proudly proclaims support for the BNP as another poster is doing cannot escape that charge. You only need to look at the photo in the press last week of the BNP deputy leader being saluted with the Nazi salute by sympathisers at a right wing conference in Europe.

They steer a very clever course now and again, but the basic undercurrent of BNP ideology, however subtly masked, is inherently based on dividing by race. That their supporters are predominantly illeducated bigots who are, thankfully, less subtle in their approach can't be debated.

misskool

dervish wrote: »

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I am no BNP supporter but you can understand that people vote for them not looking to blame foreigners per se but to elect someone who can reverse the problems that unchecked immigration has caused.

The entire economic downturn is due to immigration?

I learn something new every day

itsnever2lateisit?

Generali wrote: »

Unfortunately, one of the problems with PC etc is that it provides genuine ammunition for the racists.

TBH, I can see why white working classes feel betrayed by their country. They've been priced out of the countryside almost entirely and have found their communities broken up by misguided housing policies. They've then found standards of education steadily eroded and the chance of a decent job harder to attain.

IMO, the target of the angst is misguided. They should be looking at the people who destroyed their communities, advocated preferment to particular groups and reduced education standards so nobody could fail. By that I mean the Labour Party.

Why just Labour Generalli?

Lets take education, without doubt a good education will facilitate social mobility (upwards). Such mobility has declined in the past 30 years. Is it a coincidence that Grammar schools were closed then? Who created more Comprehensives than any other? Answer the (then) Minister of State for education - Margaret Thatcher.

A lack of Civic pride has contributed to the disfunction of communities IMHO and I lay the blame for that at the door of the Maudling Report of 1972.

To keep this post to the topic this country has welcomed immigrants for centuries, and it has enriched and added to society. Perhaps the problem today is that it is too many for the rest of us to cope with all at once.