Why was IMMMIGRATION ignored in the budget>?

beccam

dylansmum wrote: »

Yes, I am sure this happens - do not doubt you for a moment; but pregant women coming into the NHS at late stages is a cause for grave concern, anyway. If an illegal immigrant is reported they are arrested. More often, they are picked up by police, though, rather than reported by over-worked NHS staff. Still, illegal immigrants, as said, do not have legal access to services.


For me, I hate the thought of pregnant women anywhere in the world not having access to midwives and docs. If only the IMF did not indebt nations and force private health care then more people would have better services; including us!

I do agree with you, the ladies needed all the help and treatment they received and would never think they should not be treated. I was just trying to point out that because we have a NHS that treats people regardless of their circumstance, then by default illegal immigrants also benefit and at cost to the country.

Cleaver

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

You are certainly no expert and must live in your own little bubble.

From the daily telegraph...

<cut out opinion from telegraph and French Mayor>

"The asylum seeker is given accommodation and receives £31 to £40 a week according to their case, when the annual salary of the average Eritrean is around $200 (£136).

In Britain, asylum seekers can receive payments as soon as a claim is lodged. In France, an asylum seeker usually is given nothing for six months. Is that generous enough for you?

I don't care that much. Honestly, I don't. I'm even quite proud of the fact that we give Asylum Seekers payment as soon as a claim is lodged. It is probably generous enough for me, yes.

£31 a week sounds really low to me. Even with accomodation, I couldn't live on £31 a week.

By the way, I don't really count an article written based on stories from the Calais Mayor in the Telegraph to be a hard and fast statistical article to base any opinion on.

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

As for the lazy bone idle UK scroungers, if we had a decent government that didn't encourage people to be lazy, instead showing people the reward of hard work you would see no difference between your Polish cleaner and them. One way is to remove the benefit system after so many weeks and make them take a job, whatever it is. Otherwise no more money!

Okay, well this is probably a difference of opinion between the two of us, so no real point arguing as there isn't a 'right' or 'wrong'. I don't personally think that government policy encourages people 'not to be lazy'. Sure, government policy is one small factor in the reasons behind people claiming benefit, but you need to consider it alongside a load of other complex social, ecnomonic and cultural factors. Don't you?

Take, for example, fat people. A very simplistic, crude way to make them thin is to strictly limit their calorific intake to a set, small amount each day. At a certain point they will be thin. But is this a long term, sustainable option? Has the person learnt why they were fat? Why eating less calories has worked? How to prepare healthy meals? The health implications of being overweight? Probably not.

Your system of taking away benefits after a set time, to 'stop people being lazy', doesn't stop them being lazy. It solves nothing long term. It's like my fat analogy. It simply makes you feel better because you're not paying for their benefit anymore: it makes you happy. But you're not making them any more productive, or instilling a new ideology in them. You're applying a short term, simplistic fix to a really complex, cultural problem. But I guess it 'will work', as in, you won't be paying their benefit. I'm not sure, however, how your solution makes them start to contribute to society?

dylansmum

beccam wrote: »

I do agree with you, the ladies needed all the help and treatment they received and would never think they should not be treated. I was just trying to point out that because we have a NHS that treats people regardless of their circumstance, then by default illegal immigrants also benefit and at cost to the country.

Totally understand your point. I love the NHS - wish it was not being privatised!

Cleaver

dylansmum wrote: »

Totally understand your point. I love the NHS - wish it was not being privatised!

Well, it isn't really being privitised. But let's not bring that to this debate too.

dylansmum

Cleaver wrote: »

Well, it isn't really being privitised. But let's not bring that to this debate too.

Ok off topic - fair dues. One point - and then I'll stop - my community via a campaign have just stopped a new polyclinic being built - it was put out to tender to private companies. For a profit to be creamed off top of tax payers monies.

dervish

botchjob wrote: »

Topov, i wonder, are you actually an immugrunt yourself? Your command of the english language rather suggests that it is not your first language. Are you here legally? If not, did you go to a special school for the differently gifted?

sigh.

Topov is a fictional character. It is pointless trying to debate with it.

For those hwo have time to use the search function you will notice most of 'Topov's' posts from about 3 months ago were in perfect English and argued strongly against racist views and strongly in favour of immmigratoin.

This sock puppet is just being used by its owner to stir up trouble .

Just ignore it.

adwat

dervish wrote: »

I was shicked and dismayed to see that IMMIGRATION was completely ignored in the budget.

Surely one way to redress the current fiscal inequalities would be to ensure that immigrants cannot just waltz over here and acrue a wage and take it back out of the country again.

A end to immigratyion would save this country BILLIONS and start to heal the massive social divides and tragedies that have occrurred with undchecked immigration. Justr look at the huge social issues in Burnley, Oldham, Mnachester etc. These race wars have been caused by just letting in anyone and not thinking about how it affaects the indigioeous population.

I am saddened that the goverment have again bottled this issue.

I disagree totally with that opinion.

We are part of the EU (for better or worse!) and it is the right of all EU workers to work in any EU member state.

Immigrant workers often take low paid jobs that we don't want to do because it is more beneficial to claim state benefits.

Maybe a better way to tackle our huge unemployment benefit bill would be to change the way the system works so that families who are in work are in fact better off than those who are on benefits.

But to return to your post, I don't think immigration is a big issue compared with our other problems we face, and I don't think we should be distracted by it.

hethmar

I think you will find that many immigrants take low paid jobs for a short while until they can claim benefits. That is certainly the experience in this part of the country where a year after their stint in local chicken factories they leave and go on the benefits. (not all, but enough to put a real drain on our country)

misskool

hethmar wrote: »

I think you will find that many immigrants take low paid jobs for a short while until they can claim benefits. That is certainly the experience in this part of the country where a year after their stint in local chicken factories they leave and go on the benefits. (not all, but enough to put a real drain on our country)

I think you'll also find that there are immigrants who earn more than the national average wage, work hard and don't ever claim benefits while they are here.
Are they a drain on resources when compared to generations of families who have never held a job and live on benefits handouts from the government?

misskool

Topov wrote: »

its nice to see that dithering daddo's thread has been pulled. shows that the mods are in favour of free speech and debate even if some peopel on here arnt.

just because you dont want the worlds poor and unwashed turning up on your contries doorstep and claiming benifits there not entitled to doesnt mean your a racist. it just means that you want the limitied money to be spend on your own people, wether there black, white or yellow.

well done mse mods for allowing us to debate this issue despit some of the more influental posters trying to stop us.

I am all for free speech even if I find what you are saying abhorrent. you're welcome to express your ultra right wing views on the usual stereotypes of immigrants but I find it distasteful.