UK Stockmarket 2009 and beyond

coastline

Looking at the job creation numbers in the USA...you can see early 2009 they started to show improvement and at that point the stock market rallied.The last year as the job numbers have become choppy...so has the market again...maybe one to watch here..

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/non-farm-payrolls

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?type=chart&display=chart&code=cotn%3AI%3ADJI&it=usi&timeframe=5y&index=&versus=&linetype=line&Go=Plot+&overlay=&overlay2=&overlay3=&overlay4=&indicator=&indicator2=&indicator3=&indicator4=&chartwidth=500&buylines=on&triggers=on

sabretoothtigger

Its not enough. USA has population growth of quite a decent amount so to just stay level on jobs they need a similar level of job growth

They dont have it, so they not even close to being positive GDP growth I believe.

So they have less tax payers and more unoccupied/retired
The level of job market participation Im told is the lowest since 1981 which was a very bleak time and also had the FED raising rates to 20%

Retiring or taking a government backed loan to education helps the job rate fall but not the NFP

We also have + pop growth, Spain is negative and you know Japan is very negative which isnt a good thing exactly but it means less poor people too


DOW relys on foreign labour for alot of growth.
Most gov stats reflect most negative on the gov itself and its prospects, since their income is their people where as DOW can operate abroad

worldtraveller

sabretoothtigger wrote: »

Its not enough. USA has population growth of quite a decent amount so to just stay level on jobs they need a similar level of job growth

They dont have it, so they not even close to being positive GDP growth I believe.

So they have less tax payers and more unoccupied/retired
The level of job market participation Im told is the lowest since 1981 which was a very bleak time and also had the FED raising rates to 20%.

The official U.S. unemployment figures are a bit of a con. They bear little resemblance to the actual level of unemployment since they fail to take into account what they call a "discouraged worker", who is defined as a person who is not in the labour force, who wants and is available for a job and who has looked for work sometime in the past 12 months, but who is not currently looking because of real or perceived poor employment prospects.

There were 968,000 "discouraged workers" in April 2012 (up from 865,000 in March 2012) and therefore if you wanted a more accurate idea of the unemployment rate, including both those officially classified as unemployed, along with the discouraged, the total number of people in these two categories would have been about 7% higher than the official unemployment rate (12,500,000) alone, at 13,468,000.

coastline

same as my previous post...think we are going further down...we've hit the April lows...

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?type=chart&display=chart&code=cotn%3AUKX.L&it=li&timeframe=1y&index=&versus=&linetype=line&overlay=SMA_20&overlay2=SMA_50&overlay3=&overlay4=&indicator=slowstoch&indicator2=RSI&indicator3=&indicator4=&chartwidth=500&buylines=on&triggers=on&Go=Plot

sabretoothtigger

GKP done a full reset back to its normal range. That and others have similarly lost any recent gains, usually a good time to look when the fat has been trimmed

coastline

sabretoothtigger wrote: »

GKP done a full reset back to its normal range. That and others have similarly lost any recent gains, usually a good time to look when the fat has been trimmed

Been in Sound Oil...doubled my cash then lost more than the profit...makes me wonder what these are all about...they're all over the place....

Three nasty red candles on the chart below for the FT100...

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:UKX.L&display=javachart&it=li

srcandas

Still riding along with Tesco and a very pleasant ride so far. But now I'm looking at BP at close to £4 and LloydsTSB again at 29p.

With a £55k pension pot doing nothing I'm thinking throw it in to a SIPP and enjoy myself. Looking at the returns I'd have a hard job doing worse than Aegon are doing with it and the terminal bonus is back up to £5k.

Exciting times :beer:

sabretoothtigger

Put it in gradually and I cant see why not. Lots of the best shares arent that expensive.

coastline - I always try to take profits, since the start of this thread its been like a yoyo and its just going to keep repeating I think


I looked at Lloyds just now and its not especially primed to rise.
Yes it can hold here but 27 would be nice really, that could be a nice setup to reverse up on good news like a dividend payout and its cheap enough that it can do ok even if Greece leaves Euro or whatever gloom is ahead
Im silly enough to already have some of course

lvader

I picked today to pick up some beaten up commodity shares, BP, XTA, XEL and KAZ were on my shopping list.

lvader

I'm only about 20% into my planned S&S saving and have another 10 years to go so drops aren't really a problem, just an opportunity.