** Wednesday Daily Chat **

(Land_of)_Maz

lisa_martin wrote: »

I am really scared of calling up and making a date too. In fact i'm not sure I can actually go as far as making an appointment. I am a looser. :-(

the first hurdle is the hardest but once you're on and through the first couple of weeks, the time flies by...

i can't believe i've been 11 weeks!!!


SORRY FOR HIJACKING THE THREAD WITH CD TALK EVERYONE ELSE!!!

tell me to shut up whenever!

lisa_martin_2

£35 quid isnt too bad. I am a hopless dieter though and am worrying before I have even made an appointment, I don't even know what to write in an email, See i'm not very good at this at all. I have read the cambridge diet website plus other sites too. it's just a big step innit really. plus I'm not good at meeting people and talking about weight issues really. I have 5stone to lose so quite alot.

(Land_of)_Maz

becky_rtw wrote: »

There no difference in the ketosis state actually - its just that diabetics fall into it as a side effect of their disease if they dont take on insulin...here's the NHS direct stuff on the ketosis.

This is the NICE guidelines in plain English from here:
Your healthcare professional will probably recommend that you reduce the amount of food you eat, as well as being more active.

Adults should usually be advised to follow a low-fat diet, or one where the food you eat each day provides about 600 kilocalories (kcal) less than your body needs to stay the same weight. The diet should fit with healthy eating advice. You should be offered advice and regular appointments with a healthcare professional to help you follow the diet.

Sometimes, the healthcare professional may recommend a low-calorie diet, where your food provides only 1000 to 1600 kcal a day.

If you have a BMI over 30 and have stopped losing weight before reaching your target, your healthcare professional may suggest an additional course of action:
• you follow a ‘very-low-calorie’ diet – this should not be for more than 12 weeks continuously, or
• you follow a very-low-calorie diet for 2 to 4 days a week.
On a very-low-calorie diet, your food provides less than 1000 kcal a day.

You should never follow a diet that provides less than 600 kcal a day
unless this is being closely monitored by your doctor.

My emphasis - I agree that CD does work, but diets of less than 600 cals a day are starvation diets and fool the body into using up resources. I agree that many people may have issues surrounding food and consumption/activity levels - but I do worry about the effect that a starvation diet has on people's mental state...I've seen this first hand, but basically when you are starving the body one of the first things to go is the higher order brain functions. See here for more. This can very easily lead to a long term association with starvation and control which is just as dangerous as overeating.

Your bodies - your choice, but I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the full facts :o

But I'm going to shut up about it now...and go back to talking about weather :D

Thanks Becks - there is a 12 week break where you should add in extra calories by way of an evening meal... so yep you're absolutely right you shouldn't be on it for more than 12 weeks continuously as per NICE guidelines as you say... but you can carry on again from 13 weeks....

i can't say anything about higher order brain functions, as i'm not sure i ever had any!!

what i would say though is that i've been able to maintain and increase my running since doing CD... and i admit to wondering whether i could sustain it on so few calories... maybe just cause i had the fat stores to burn....??

It's good to have all the facts, and the science behind it is interesting....


So, not so lovely weather here today but not to worry as at work anyway....

spud30

(Land_of)_Maz wrote: »

once you get chatting you will be just fine....

trust me...!

I do trust you....I'll ring in a minute

(Land_of)_Maz

To spare the daily chat; come over to the cambridge thread to discuss some more Lisa/Spud/anyone... you'll get plenty of advice there.... lots of people in the early stages...

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=20677511#post20677511

sammy115

becky_rtw wrote: »

but I do worry about the effect that a starvation diet has on people's mental state...I've seen this first hand, but basically when you are starving the body one of the first things to go is the higher order brain functions. See here for more. This can very easily lead to a long term association with starvation and control which is just as dangerous as overeating.

I totally agree Becky - a girl who used to work for me has severe anorexia and she could not function mentally because she was so weak from starvation.

I am assuming you mean starving on a physical level rather than psychological cos I never felt starved on CD - in fact the complete opposite. It made me much more aware of 'real' hunger rather than assumed hunger.......

Any kind of diet can lead to food issues....that is why you should be closely monitored by a CD counsellor.

anyhow I will also shut up now...maybe I don't want to feel like I am a complete failure for being someone who can't lose weight the 'proper' way...

sammy115

And you so cannot talk about the weather.....forecast for malaga for the few days is CARP!!! but hey ho it brightens up on Monday when we are due to come home..

spud30

lisa_martin wrote: »

£35 quid isnt too bad. I am a hopless dieter though and am worrying before I have even made an appointment, I don't even know what to write in an email, See i'm not very good at this at all. I have read the cambridge diet website plus other sites too. it's just a big step innit really. plus I'm not good at meeting people and talking about weight issues really. I have 5stone to lose so quite alot.

Lisa, we both have similar amounts to lose hun.

I'm sat here, staring at the phone.......scary innit

(Land_of)_Maz

lisa_martin wrote: »

£35 quid isnt too bad. I am a hopless dieter though and am worrying before I have even made an appointment, I don't even know what to write in an email, See i'm not very good at this at all. I have read the cambridge diet website plus other sites too. it's just a big step innit really. plus I'm not good at meeting people and talking about weight issues really. I have 5stone to lose so quite alot.

just send a short email saying...

Please call me to discuss starting CD, more information required at this stage,

Lisa Martin

Welsh Wales

telephone XXXXX

Then they will call you, afterall, they are running a business so chasing sales ultimately....... that way you've done a bit and they will initiate the next phone call......

sammy115

*sammy drums fingers and waits for next topic of conversation...**

Anyway Buffy - back to that book...I downloaded it from audible...(I already bought the book but couldn't read it) - its much easier to listen to and follow - makes the washing up seem less mundane somehow!