No power soon? Police hold 114 in power protest

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

I heard a green type on the Today programme earlier. Apparently the damage being done by coal fired power stations is "suicidal" and they MUST be turned off right this second.

If their aim really is to destroy our economy by shutting off the power then they need to be dealt with.

Well thats just a silly arguement.

Generali

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Well thats just a silly arguement.

In what way?

mrstinchcombe

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

All released on bail without charge.

Now there is a funny thing.

No sign of a shread of evidence.

No surprise there.

Let alone the fact conspiracy to commit aggrevated trespass DOESNT even exist as a charge.

"Specialist Equipment" was a set of bolt cutters found. It wouldnt surprise me if they were the poperty of the school anyway.

Now you have just made yourself look silly, if they have been released "on bail without charge" this means they need to return to the nick at a later date where a disposal will be used. They have either been bailed pending further enquiries (collating the interviews of 100 other people maybe) or more likely bailed for CPS advice. As conspiracy offences are indictment only offences the CPS will need to make the charging decision as the Police arent able to for such offences. This outcome was actually a result for the Police.

If what you say about "No sign of a shread of evidence." and "Let alone the fact conspiracy to commit aggrevated trespass DOESNT even exist as a charge." then they would be released under No Further Action and would not be bailed.

I don't think the CPS will go for conspiracy to commit aggravated tresspass anyway, I think possession of articles for use in the course of criminal damage is more likely.

Glad we've cleared that up and we have finally hit the ceiling of your knowledge. BTW why do you like these thugs so much anyway? Or is it the unfounded and childish hatred towards the Police?

mrstinchcombe

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

No. Burglary is a Criminal Offence in all forms. No comparisson at all.

Both Aggravated Tresspass and Burglary are Criminal Offences where there is an element of the Civil Offence of tresspass, as is Found on Enclosed Premises. The comparision is there.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Generali wrote: »

In what way?

That a Green can say "the damage being done by coal fired power stations is "suicidal" and they MUST be turned off right this second."

Although agreeable in sentiment you would of thought we could build other means of power generation before we switch power off.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

mrstinchcombe wrote: »

Both Aggravated Tresspass and Burglary are Criminal Offences where there is an element of the Civil Offence of tresspass, as is Found on Enclosed Premises. The comparision is there.

I know Aggrevated Trespass & Criminal Damage are criminal offences BUT aggrevated trespass needs to meet criteria to escalte from trespass which is NOT a criminal offense...


Its like you talking to a mate who is still in the process of divorce & saying he should propose to his new girlfriend...

In which instance you should be arrested for "Conspiracy to commit bigamy!"

Its a bull**** charge & doesnt & cannot exist in law.

The criteria is not met for any offence.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

mrstinchcombe wrote: »

Now you have just made yourself look silly, if they have been released "on bail without charge" this means they need to return to the nick at a later date where a disposal will be used. They have either been bailed pending further enquiries (collating the interviews of 100 other people maybe) or more likely bailed for CPS advice. As conspiracy offences are indictment only offences the CPS will need to make the charging decision as the Police arent able to for such offences. This outcome was actually a result for the Police.

If what you say about "No sign of a shread of evidence." and "Let alone the fact conspiracy to commit aggrevated trespass DOESNT even exist as a charge." then they would be released under No Further Action and would not be bailed.

I don't think the CPS will go for conspiracy to commit aggravated tresspass anyway, I think possession of articles for use in the course of criminal damage is more likely.

Glad we've cleared that up and we have finally hit the ceiling of your knowledge. BTW why do you like these thugs so much anyway? Or is it the unfounded and childish hatred towards the Police?

Its funny you side on the side of the police with words like "possession" "criminal damage" "thugs" & "unfounded" but yet accuse me of "childish hatred towards the police".


Very interesting.

Have you thought about therapy?

JasonLVC

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I know Aggrevated Trespass & Criminal Damage are criminal offences BUT aggrevated trespass needs to meet criteria to escalte from trespass which is NOT a criminal offense...


Its like you talking to a mate who is still in the process of divorce & saying he should propose to his new girlfriend...

In which instance you should be arrested for "Conspiracy to commit bigamy!"

Its a bull**** charge & doesnt & cannot exist in law.

The criteria is not met for any offence.

To quote yourself - "What a silly example".

You cannot compare bigamy with trespass on the basis they come under different laws. The 'conspiracy' bit is associated with certain criminal acts, not all of them. Would we be arrested for saying "I could kill that damn neighbour of mine"?. There's a good chance the neighbour could hear this and report the offence to the police - but again, what mileage is in it?.

If I was in a pub talking to a mate and said "I want to blow up a load of Jews on a bus tomorrow" - I'd be arrested for conspiring to do the act - even if I was just joking.

If I was overheard saying I intend to blow up a power station and/or shut it down, I'd be arrested for conspiring also.

Whether the charge sticks is another argument, but I've still commited a criminal offence.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

JasonLVC wrote: »

You cannot compare bigamy with trespass on the basis they come under different laws. The 'conspiracy' bit is associated with certain criminal acts, not all of them.

Have you got a list?

That would make interesting reading of what people can conspire to do or not to do.

mewbie_2

200 police at a school arresting some tree huggers? Yet they do not even bother to attend burglary calls. They do not patrol the streets. They offer no protection to innocent citizens going about their general daily business.

Who are these people answerable to? I would rather my tax money went on a police force that was capable of tackling real crime, and assuring public safety - rather than quite frankly lunatic over reaction to anything that might be a demonstration.

IF they really thought something was going to go down then perhaps a rapid reaction force of maximum fifty police might have been useful on standby. They might even have got that old fashioned thing they used to call evidence.

42 days without proof in the hands of this lot? I feel a whole lot safer - not.