No power soon? Police hold 114 in power protest

mrstinchcombe

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Because Trespass is a CIVIL OFFENCE not a CRIMINAL ONE unless criteria is met to categorise it...

& either way the law allows for trespass assemblies (gathering to discuss trespass) outside of 5 miles.


(6) No order under this section shall prohibit the holding of assemblies for a period exceeding 4 days or in an area exceeding an area represented by a circle with a radius of 5 miles from a specified centre.

Aggravated Tresspass however is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE not a CIVIL one.

The criteria is met as they are suspected to have conspired to meet this criteria upon tresspassing.

Either way the criminal damage is also there but both are real offences triable on indictment.

ad44downey

It's yet more evidence of the police state we're living in. They won't be happy until they have us all microchipped.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

mrstinchcombe wrote: »

Aggravated Tresspass however is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE not a CIVIL one.

The criteria is met as they are suspected to have conspired to meet this criteria upon tresspassing.

Either way the criminal damage is also there but both are real offences triable on indictment.

No. Defintion: Aggravated Trespass 1994

68 Offence of aggravated trespass
(1) A person commits the offence of aggravated trespass if he trespasses on land


Aggrevated Trespass definition is in itself formed directly from CRIMINAL Trespass & that has to be qualified from CIVIL trespass & even if so an assembly is exempt over a 5 mile radius anyway.

1echidna

Running_Horse wrote: »

I assume the demonstrators read by candlelight, and possess no electrical gadgets; otherwise they are a bunch of hypocrites.

Forget the legal nicities. No way the government are going to let the lights go out, and hospitals black out, and homes go cold.

And quite right too, unless you have an alternative plan...

I agree. However much one is in favour of trying to green up our energy supply (as I am) disrupting energy infrastructure is completely irresponsible. Government I don't doubt sees that if such action succeeded it could cause chaos. There is a need to prevent such people from even believing that they have a glimmer of hope of achieving successful direct action against energy installations. I think the legal establishment will play ball with any reasonable interpretation of the law (terrorism or not) in view of the importance of clamping down on these conspiracies to commit crime with very serious consequences.

stephen163

Taking over Ratcliffe on Soar power station would have almost no impact on the electricity supply in the UK. It's just one power station out of many. It would be more of a political statement than a serious attempt to cause havoc through loss of supply.

A._Badger

stephen163 wrote: »

Taking over Ratcliffe on Soar power station would have almost no impact on the electricity supply in the UK. It's just one power station out of many. It would be more of a political statement than a serious attempt to cause havoc through loss of supply.

I thought voting was a political statement? Or joining a political party to influence its policies?

The self-righteousness of the 'Green' movement never fails to amaze me. I wonder how they would react if those who are sick to death of their scare-mongering and back-to-the-Stone-Age advocacy started taking 'direct action' in equal measure?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

A._Badger wrote: »

I thought voting was a political statement? Or joining a political party to influence its policies?

The self-righteousness of the 'Green' movement never fails to amaze me. I wonder how they would react if those who are sick to death of their scare-mongering and back-to-the-Stone-Age advocacy started taking 'direct action' in equal measure?

Its not about what the demonstrators point is, personally I dont agree (if it was a green issue but more then likely "british jobs for british workers" issue).

If the Police & CPS win this they could apply it to ANY & ALL demos of their choosing.

They will arrest prior to demo.

Trust me, that is a BAD thing.

A._Badger

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Its not about what the demonstrators point is, personally I dont agree (if it was a green issue but more then likely "british jobs for british workers" issue).

If the Police & CPS win this they could apply it to ANY & ALL demos of their choosing.

The will arrest prior to demo.

Trust me, that is a BAD thing.

I don't entirely disagree with you. Then again, having lived through the 1970s, I've developed a mild phobia about people seeking to impose their political will on everyone else by 'direct action'.

Masomnia

I wish I never bothered!

In any case, I think I'd feel terrorized if a group of 114 people with 'specialist equipment' gathered in a clandestine meeting at night in a local school. We shouldn't forget that this was not a legitimate, peaceful protest.

stephen163

Everything at this stage is just sheer conjecture, however, there is a big possibility that police spies were involved and if this is the case, very clear and concise intelligence would have been gained. The details of the plot, which only the police know at this stage, must have been enough to prompt the pre-emptive arrests.

One thing I am sure of is the green protesters will be extremely clued up on their own legal rights and if a mistake has been made, it will be exposed in due course.