No power soon? Police hold 114 in power protest

chris_spackman

ad44downey wrote: »

It's yet more evidence of the police state we're living in. They won't be happy until they have us all microchipped.

It's not the Police you need to watch out for. Your local council are the ones who i worry about. Take the case near me in Poole, a family put in an application for a school and the council use anti terror laws to follow her for 2 weeks to make sure she wasn't trying to pull a fast one, enforcement officers to enforce all sorts, camera cars driving around taking snaps of you and your car, bin man being given powers to slap you with a ticket if they feel your car is parked in such a place that 'stops' them from doing there job, honest i swear. My Dad is retired Policeman and now works taking statments and was chatting with with a colleauge who said that the Bin man told her that if her car is parked as it is again when they come round they will issue a ticket. It was on a road outside her house, no yellows mind!

chris_spackman

mewbie wrote: »

200 police at a school arresting some tree huggers? Yet they do not even bother to attend burglary calls. They do not patrol the streets. They offer no protection to innocent citizens going about their general daily business.

Who are these people answerable to? I would rather my tax money went on a police force that was capable of tackling real crime, and assuring public safety - rather than quite frankly lunatic over reaction to anything that might be a demonstration.

IF they really thought something was going to go down then perhaps a rapid reaction force of maximum fifty police might have been useful on standby. They might even have got that old fashioned thing they used to call evidence.

42 days without proof in the hands of this lot? I feel a whole lot safer - not.

If the GOV let them get on with their job instead of giving targets tio hit then things would be fine. The Police in other countries get to sort out crime and those who are the cause of it. Over here i'm afraid that the Police are stopped by the great EU Human Rights and the libs and lefties who don't want the Police to be a Police Force.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

chris_spackman wrote: »

If the GOV let them get on with their job instead of giving targets tio hit then things would be fine. The Police in other countries get to sort out crime and those who are the cause of it. Over here i'm afraid that the Police are stopped by the great EU Human Rights and the libs and lefties who don't want the Police to be a Police Force.

Gun capital of Britain - 200 police to find a pair of school-issue Bolt Cutters, some food & some climbing gear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/crime-watch-how-secure-is-your-university-city-831847.html

mrstinchcombe

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Gun capital of Britain - 200 police to find a pair of school-issue Bolt Cutters, some food & some climbing gear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/crime-watch-how-secure-is-your-university-city-831847.html

The Police can never do right in the eyes of a lot of people nowadays. I bet you would be the first person to complain if your power was cut off because 100 people gained access to a power station and pervented it from operating, especially if you learned the Police knew about it. You would definately be asking why didn't the Police prevent it.

There are hundreds of similar examples where the Police are damned if they do and damned if they don't, the problem is life has plenty of situations where its lose-lose for all involved, unfortunately the Police deal with such situations daily, and you don't at all.

One thing you are correct about is Nottingham being the gun capital. As this is the case why are 100 idiots acting in such a way 200 officers are needed to deal with them when there are more pressing issues? If the public help the Police out the country will be a better place, instead of acting like they have a chip on their shoulder and being obstructive. Lets be honest all the public in the G20 protests were obstuctie and obviously enjoyed wasting millions of pounds on the huge Police presence because we all knew they couldn't behave.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

mrstinchcombe wrote: »

The Police can never do right in the eyes of a lot of people nowadays. I bet you would be the first person to complain if your power was cut off because 100 people gained access to a power station and pervented it from operating, especially if you learned the Police knew about it. You would definately be asking why didn't the Police prevent it.

I suggest you read again my posts. Then you wont have to bet anything.

JasonLVC

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Thank you for the polite & courteous response pointing out my failings to understand the law.

I look forward to the first arrest for conspiracy to commit murder as a result of a drunken fight when someone says "smack him one" when the fight doesnt even take place of course!

You really do not understand the law I'm afraid.

Murder has an element of pre-meditation to it (that is, you have to set out to murder someone in the first place) - thus achieving the mens rea test in law.

Manslaughter is the lesser crime, the charge being based upon the outcome (ie, death) rather than the premptive decision beforehand - so a drunken fight leading to a death will usually be tried as manslaughter unless it can be proved intent at the start (ie, shouting "I'm going to kill that bloke later" MAY be construed as pre-meditation and certainly so if person lies in wait for the victim).

The G20 policeman who pushed over that drunk may find himself charged with mansdlaughter also - he did not intend to kill, but that was the outcome.

Conspiracy to commit murder would require more than two people to 'conspire' (note my earlier post trying to explain to you what conspire means in law, again to no avail) and so it is technically possible to "conspire to murder" but you'd likely see that charge thrown at your avergae terrorist group, religious cult or white supramcists rather than protesters as you cannot conspire on your own.

chris_spackman

I do feel sorry for the Police. My Dad couldn't wait to get out due to the fact he was more an admin assistant than a Policeman on the streets doing what he wanted to do, make the streets that little bit more safe and got fed up seeing criminals dance round the law and get off due to the wrong word being used or re wording a warrent to smash in a door at a drugs den and people who have robbed a house cry murder due to the homeowner giving him a smack and then pulling the said homeowner in for assault, people from a certain religious background shouting that their human rights have been walked on due to not having a cell facing a certain direction. Our Police force is a joke, the law is more geared to those who want to cause trouble.

Not longh before my Dad retired he set up a weekly Disco for the young of a local community, got a social club set up where locals could come and discuss any issues they had in their area and it worked. It kept the kids off the streets, the residents could come and talk to a Policeman / woman and he still goes back to help run it as there is talk of shutting it down due to lack of New Labour funds

How different it is from my Grandads time as a Policeman. (i wasn't around then of course but he has told me lots of Stories)

Take the Police in France and other countries, they are real Police,they get the job done and take no crap from anyone.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Originally Posted by 1984ReturnsForReal
Thank you for the polite & courteous response pointing out my failings to understand the law.

I look forward to the first arrest for conspiracy to commit murder as a result of a drunken fight when someone says "smack him one" when the fight doesnt even take place of course!

JasonLVC wrote: »

You really do not understand the law I'm afraid.

Murder has an element of pre-meditation to it (that is, you have to set out to murder someone in the first place) - thus achieving the mens rea test in law.

Manslaughter is the lesser crime, the charge being based upon the outcome (ie, death) rather than the premptive decision beforehand - so a drunken fight leading to a death will usually be tried as manslaughter unless it can be proved intent at the start (ie, shouting "I'm going to kill that bloke later" MAY be construed as pre-meditation and certainly so if person lies in wait for the victim).

The G20 policeman who pushed over that drunk may find himself charged with mansdlaughter also - he did not intend to kill, but that was the outcome.

Conspiracy to commit murder would require more than two people to 'conspire' (note my earlier post trying to explain to you what conspire means in law, again to no avail) and so it is technically possible to "conspire to murder" but you'd likely see that charge thrown at your avergae terrorist group, religious cult or white supramcists rather than protesters as you cannot conspire on your own.

No you dont understand law.

The supposed "murder", "manslaughter", "gbh", "abh" or more than likely "common assualt" doesnt even take place.

& why you would want to justify conspiracy for any of the above other than "conspiracy to commit common assualt" is beyond me.

JasonLVC

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Originally Posted by 1984ReturnsForReal
Thank you for the polite & courteous response pointing out my failings to understand the law.

I look forward to the first arrest for conspiracy to commit murder as a result of a drunken fight when someone says "smack him one" when the fight doesnt even take place of course!





No you dont understand law.

The supposed "murder", "manslaughter", "gbh", "abh" or more than likely "common assualt" doesnt even take place.

& why you would want to justify conspiracy for any of the above other than "conspiracy to commit common assualt" is beyond me.

Now you're just being silly and making no sense at all (you must be losing the argument me thinks).

Wouldn't it just be easier for you to say "my mistake, I didn't realise the law was like this, etc", rather than now just making nonsensical posts that just reflect badly on you. We can then move on with the topic of this thread.

If you cannot understand the concept that conspiracy is a crime and can be attached to other crimes in a premptive manner then good luck and god bless you.

space_rider

I live in Nottingham and whilst it would be a huge nuisance to be without electricity it would not be life or death for me. But if I was on at home kidney dialysis or needed a nebuliser it would be a different matter. I know you can get generators but they wouldn`t be able to provide a generator for everyone. Neither would the local hospitals be able to cope with the influx of patients who have urgent medical equipment at home needing to go to hospital. However saying that, my daughter has medication that needs to be kept at a certain temperature. If not kept cold it wouldn`t work.

Protesters got into a building where Eon staff work a few months ago. They caused inconvenience to Eon in that the staff couldn`t enter the building so had to be sent home and therefore joe public wouldnt be able to get their calls answered fast enough.