Anarchists warn. "This is just the start"

bluey890

vivatifosi wrote: »

Ironically, being vigilant is probably the best way of spotting terrorists, however there's a fine line between being vigilant and being a vigilante and there's an equally fine line for the government between sensible anti-terror legislation and behaving like the Stasi.

what signs of am i to look out for? just curious thats all.

ninky_2

at my tube station there is now a big poster of a typical london street with a wheelie bin full of bleach bottles in the foreground.

how would you suggest the general public spot terrorists when the police have failed to do so and have even shot someone completely innocent through ridiculous levels of hyper-vigilance (menedez)?

all this will do is play to prejudice and stereotyping (muslim looking men with backpacks).

caroline1973lefty

just back from the march.
am glad i went, even though you can always question what marching achieves, seems to me it's worth a try, can't be any less effective than NOT marching!
felt like a proper coalition of people concerned/angry about jobs, environment, poverty, and justice. good humoured though and good mix of ages and races, trade unionists, anarchists, socialists, charities.
Hard to guage how many people because the police split it up into 5 sections but if the police are saying 35,000, it was probably at lot more!
as for sir fred, he's no worse than loads of others. tax all earnings over £200,000 a year at 90%. that would take away the incentive for these rich men to pay themselves a fortune. if a few of the bankers leave the country - though i doubt many would - who cares! this crisis has shown that they are the last people we need in charge of things. winnie the pooh could run a better economic policy than that greedy lot. we should be pouring money into green jobs not toxic assets.
trouble is chances of green investment and fair taxation are slim - whichever party we vote for - unless more of us take to the streets.
see you at the next big demo!
x

vivatifosi

ninky wrote: »

at my tube station there is now a big poster of a typical london street with a wheelie bin full of bleach bottles in the foreground.

how would you suggest the general public spot terrorists when the police have failed to do so and have even shot someone completely innocent through ridiculous levels of hyper-vigilance (menedez)?

all this will do is play to prejudice and stereotyping (muslim looking men with backpacks).

More than one person I know has been a victim of terrorism or in the vicinity of a terror attack. It always makes sense to ask "what's wrong with this picture"? That doesn't mean pandering to prejudice and stereotyping, it means keeping your eyes open for something that's clearly out of the ordinary. Someone I know was on a relatively high floor in the twin towers when a plane struck. That person lived by not listening to the people saying that all would be ok if they stayed where they were. And a plane full of people are still alive today because they thought it was strange when the guy in the seat by them tried to set fire to his shoelaces. That's not about race, its about what doesn't make sense and what's out of the ordinary.

bluey890

vivatifosi wrote: »

More than one person I know has been a victim of terrorism or in the vicinity of a terror attack. It always makes sense to ask "what's wrong with this picture"? That doesn't mean pandering to prejudice and stereotyping, it means keeping your eyes open for something that's clearly out of the ordinary. Someone I know was on a relatively high floor in the twin towers when a plane struck. That person lived by not listening to the people saying that all would be ok if they stayed where they were. And a plane full of people are still alive today because they thought it was strange when the guy in the seat by them tried to set fire to his shoelaces. That's not about race, its about what doesn't make sense and what's out of the ordinary.

ppl setting fire to there shoelaces on aeroplanes is a warning sign - as is the building next door being on fire.

im glad ur friend got out ok. condolences to those who didnt make it.

bo_drinker

caroline1973lefty wrote: »

just back from the march.
am glad i went, even though you can always question what marching achieves, seems to me it's worth a try, can't be any less effective than NOT marching!
felt like a proper coalition of people concerned/angry about jobs, environment, poverty, and justice. good humoured though and good mix of ages and races, trade unionists, anarchists, socialists, charities.
Hard to guage how many people because the police split it up into 5 sections but if the police are saying 35,000, it was probably at lot more!
as for sir fred, he's no worse than loads of others. tax all earnings over £200,000 a year at 90%. that would take away the incentive for these rich men to pay themselves a fortune. if a few of the bankers leave the country - though i doubt many would - who cares! this crisis has shown that they are the last people we need in charge of things. winnie the pooh could run a better economic policy than that greedy lot. we should be pouring money into green jobs not toxic assets.
trouble is chances of green investment and fair taxation are slim - whichever party we vote for - unless more of us take to the streets.
see you at the next big demo!
x

Well done. But do you think anything will be achieved, will anyone listen? Do they listen? I sometimes wonder I applaude you for going but I do think does it really achieve anything ?? The last protest that achieved something was when a few blokes flew a couple of planes into the WTC. That woke them up. If it were the French then it may dent but I wonder. I may be wrong, I alwys say I am happy to be proved wrong

itsnever2lateisit?

vivatifosi wrote: »

I don't agree with the bricks through the window thing, but I do think that the government owes a duty to the tax payer to fully investigate whether any illegal activity has taken place in the RBS fiasco.

In a normal world I would agree, but as we are still awaiting publication of the report into the 'Phoenix Four' and the collapse of MG-Rover, from way back in 2005 I fear I will be pushing up the daisies long before the results of an inquiry into RBS was published, even if it started work on monday

tesuhoha

Cleaver wrote: »

Absolutely priceless.

So its ok for you to deliberately misinterpret the situation but not ok for me to deliberately interpret your sarcasm.

I probably agree with you that violence is not the answer but find it detestable that you can compare Sir Fred with an innocent worker.

Cleaver

tesuhoha wrote: »

So its ok for you to deliberately misinterpret the situation but not ok for me to deliberately interpret your sarcasm.

I probably agree with you that violence is not the answer but find it detestable that you can compare Sir Fred with an innocent worker.

<sigh>

I used the 'innocent worker' as a humourous vehicle to show my contempt for people using violence in any way, shape or form against anyone else. If you found my post to in any way advocate violence (in a serious way) to someone then you seriously need some satire lessons.

And whilst we're here, I don't see much difference between Fred Goodwin and anyone else. I agree with what mewbie has said on here a few times: he ran a bank, bought another bank, turned out to be the wrong business decision, got offered a pension, took it. Yes, he's a 'greedy man' (whatever that means), but so what? I guess every event, issue and story needs its poster boys for people to gripe and moan at, so he's serving the purpose well.

And I'll play real devil's advocate here: how do you know our Barclays Cashier is an "innocent worker"? She could be stealing from the till, beating her husband, frauding the tax office or stealing cars at the weekend. She could even be a... BTL investor. Shock horror.

Georgie4

chewmylegoff wrote: »

i can't wait for the anarchists to come to london next week. it will be nice for them to have a day out, funded by the benefits that i pay them, so they can smash a phonebox and flick Vs at the police. will keep them happy for a whole year, talking about the day they smashed the system.

Exactly - most of us wouldn't be able to go to protests even if we wanted to - we are far to busy going to work to fund the benefits of those who go from one protest march to another:mad: