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StevieJ

MrFonzerelli wrote: »

What we need from politicians are actions, not words. e.g. Cancer detection tests earlier, cervical, colon e.t.c.
Preferably an annual health MOT/MOH each year like Germany has too.
Why in the UK, do cars have an annual MOT and not Humans (MOH) anyway? It's ridiculous!

Raises a question, what are we entitled to expect from our GP Annual blood pressure test, cholestral test? Anyone know what the expected standards are ?

lostinrates

MrFonzerelli wrote: »

What we need from politicians are actions, not words. e.g. Cancer detection tests earlier, cervical, colon e.t.c.
Preferably an annual health MOT/MOH each year like Germany has too.
Why in the UK, do cars have an annual MOT and not Humans (MOH) anyway? It's ridiculous!

IIRC-obviously not a personal recollection, but an acquired one before Mewbi pips in with a wisecrack ancient China had a good system. I believe one paid one's doctor a salary and he had to give a refund you if you got ill but had adhered to his advice.

MissMoneypenny

vivatifosi wrote: »

and if that media intrusion saves the lives of young women who were missing their smear tests,

I read that Jade had been having regular smear tests since age 16, but they missed her cervical cancer. As you say though, at least there are more women having these tests now because of Jade.

ninky_2

lostinrates wrote: »

IIRC-obviously not a personal recollection, but an acquired one before Mewbi pips in with a wisecrack ancient China had a good system. I believe one paid one's doctor a salary and he had to give a refund you if you got ill but had adhered to his advice.

sounds good in theory, but like bendix suggestion we should all rely on private medical insurance, who would agree to provide for those who were clearly very ill and might not got better, but whose suffering could be eased / life lengthened by intervention? the problem with places that rely on privately paid for healthcare is it leaves a massive medical underclass that no one wants to help / treat (USA).

ninky_2

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

I read that Jade had been having regular smear tests since age 16, but they missed her cervical cancer. As you say though, at least there are more women having these tests now because of Jade.

no they didn't miss it. she'd been told she needed cells removing but ignored it for a long time because she'd had the same situation a couple of times in the past and got away with it. unfortunately, she paid a heavy price for complacency.

vivatifosi

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

I read that Jade had been having regular smear tests since age 16, but they missed her cervical cancer. As you say though, at least there are more women having these tests now because of Jade.

I also heard that Jade had been having tests but that she had ignored warnings of irregular cells. I have no idea as to whether its true or not, or whether they had missed it. I just hope that it leads to more people going. I also hope it leads to a rethink of whether under 25s should be invited to screening in England, as they are elsewhere. AIUI there are reasons for and against doing this, so I hope its decided by medics and not as a knee-jerk reaction by politicians.

lostinrates

ninky wrote: »

sounds good in theory, but like bendix suggestion we should all rely on private medical insurance, who would agree to provide for those who were clearly very ill and might not got better, but whose suffering could be eased / life lengthened by intervention? the problem with places that rely on privately paid for healthcare is it leaves a massive medical underclass that no one wants to help / treat (USA).

A tax contribution as now I would have thought.

In fact, I raised the point as an interesting comparison to how we view a system, rather than suggesting we all took it up now. I can't see that it would be possible to police we were all following the doctors advice, and I guess we are less likely to simply take each other's word for it. I think also, though I really don't know, we probably have a deeper understabnding of genetic predisopsition, and inavoidabilty of some health conditions now than they might have done in ancient China. So that would be a bit of a poopy situation.

MissMoneypenny

ninky wrote: »

no they didn't miss it. she'd been told she needed cells removing but ignored it for a long time because she'd had the same situation a couple of times in the past and got away with it. unfortunately, she paid a heavy price for complacency.

"But doctors gave her the all clear just before she took part in the Indian version of Big Brother, when she first heard she had cancer, Jade told GMTV this morning. The 27-year-old had spent a week in hospital before the show after she had experienced stomach pains and blood loss but doctors put this down to stress and a bad period when blood tests came back clear.

Smear tests to detect cervical cancer had previously all showed up pre-cancerous cells in her womb. But Jade said: "Each time they burnt them off and said there was nothing to worry about."
"They didn't do anything. I'm not knocking them but they didn't know what was wrong with me"

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Jade_speaks_about_cancer&in_article_id=288637&in_page_id=7&in_a_source=

Jade was also taking part in a campaign to lower the age for cervical screening and a petition has been handed to Gordon Brown.
http://www.tv.com/story/13184.html

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

I also heard that Jade had been having tests but that she had ignored warnings of irregular cells. I have no idea as to whether its true or not, or whether they had missed it. I just hope that it leads to more people going. I also hope it leads to a rethink of whether under 25s should be invited to screening in England, as they are elsewhere. AIUI there are reasons for and against doing this, so I hope its decided by medics and not as a knee-jerk reaction by politicians.

Until today I was unaware of Jade Goody's (sp?) biography and now I know it I think that she was an amazing woman.

She wasn't well educated at all but that seems to have been a product of her upbringing and family. She was then determined to use everything including her death to give her own children that which was denied to her and for which she was mocked for in a horrible and public way.

Her vilification over many years was a particularly nasty form of the British 'class' system. If you hate someone who has tried (and to some extent succeeded) to overcome severe difficulties in their upbringing then you have no class IMO.

MissMoneypenny

StevieJ wrote: »

Raises a question, what are we entitled to expect from our GP Annual blood pressure test, cholestral test? Anyone know what the expected standards are ?

I don't know if there is an expected NHS standard for all health tests, but this BBC article by Dr Easton is worth a read, even though it is 18 months old.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/surgerynotes/geaston/health_mot.shtml