Average speed cameras and data collection

dacouch

I found a freedom of information act from the Highways agency last night but my computer crashed and I can't find it now. It is out there in google land and basically said the highways agency have 1200 odd anpr cameras and that they allow the police access to the average speed cameras for specific investigations. No doubt this will change or may have already changed.

The storage of the data at Hendon for 5 years I believe has already started.

This link from 2006 demonstrates the future intentions for the scheme

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/orgwiki/index.php/National_Vehicle_Tracking_Database

As the UK is at the for front of having camers everywhere and them being monitored I personally think there should be more debate about it in parliment etc. As we are going where no other country has gone there is a possible errosion of civil liberties and we should all think very carefully on this.

There are no doubt advantages of the system but there are draw backs as well, may be the future plans also include something along the lines of Minority Report

ticketcollector

Can see it now.

You are under arrest for the future crime of driving along the M25 at 80 MPH.
or
You are hereby fined for the most evil of future crime of failing to pay all your tax on time at the appointed time.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

ticketcollector wrote: »

Can see it now.

You are under arrest for the future crime of driving along the M25 at 80 MPH.
or
You are hereby fined for the most evil of future crime of failing to pay all your tax on time at the appointed time.

Or how about....


£200 fine & 5pts for stopping in a checked box at a junction because someone needlessly stopped in front of you leaving you with no alternative.

You object in court & a trial date is set. The CPS prepare for the trial look into you prior driving habits searching the database & there is lots of data & photos available.

Offence 2
Driving at 71mph on the motorway at 2.30am after a fight back from your holiday. 3pts & £30

Offence 3
Driving at 43 mph in a 40 zone whilst overtaking a tractor. £30 + 3pts

Offence 4
Driving at 68mph on the motorway on the 5th November 2004 at 2.30pm. You argue & state thats its not illegal. The prosecution state that the motorway was under a 50mph limit at the time due to roadworks. £60 fine & 4pts & loss of licence.

dacouch

1984 You may already realise this so sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs but it is not illegal to enter a box junction and stop if your right indicator is on. My mate just discovered this and accidently leaves his right indicator on now if he enters a box junction.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

dacouch wrote: »

1984 You may already realise this so sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs but it is not illegal to enter a box junction and stop if your right indicator is on. My mate just discovered this and accidently leaves his right indicator on now if he enters a box junction.

Didnt know that...

harveybobbles

They could use cameras like this...

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c

you can zoom in anywhere. Kinda scary...

Martin1979

The only time you can stop on a box junction is when turning right and your exit is clear and its only on comming car at are preventing you from going.
If going staight on a car stops in front and cause you to stop you are in the wrong because you shouldnt have entered untill you know its clear having a right indercator on wont make a difference.

martin

AirlieBird

dacouch wrote: »

1984 You may already realise this so sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs but it is not illegal to enter a box junction and stop if your right indicator is on. My mate just discovered this and accidently leaves his right indicator on now if he enters a box junction.

That's not quite correct. You can enter a box junction with the intention of turning right and stop if your exit is blocked by oncoming traffic or stationary traffic also wanting to turn right.

7. — (1) Except when placed in the circumstances described in paragraph 8, the road markings shown in diagrams 1043 and 1044 shall each convey the prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
(2) The prohibition in sub-paragraph (1) does not apply to any person— (a)
who causes a vehicle to enter the box junction (other than a box junction at a roundabout) for the purpose of turning right; and

(b)
stops it within the box junction for so long as it is prevented from completing the right turn by oncoming vehicles or other vehicles which are stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.

(The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, Schedule 19, Part 2)

1984ReturnsForReal_2

harveybobbles wrote: »

They could use cameras like this...

http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c

you can zoom in anywhere. Kinda scary...

It looks like George W Bush is holding the remote kill button!!:eek:

dacouch

Thats basically what I meant airlie bird you just explained it in better detail.

1984 there are insurance policies that pay out for you to get taxis or hire a chaufeur if you lose your licence through totting up or can't drive through illness or injury. They are surprisingly cheap, it might be worth you getting one as they can be well handy and they are normally tax deductable. Google "Chaufeur Plan"