Average speed cameras and data collection

JMC39

Hi,

Having just driven between Birmingham and Nottingham, I have been having to go through multiple average speed cameras.

Does anybody know what data the government collects with these? Seeing as they are ANRP cameras it is entirely possible that they could be used to monitor individuals location at any given time..... however I am sure the government would never want to monitor us like that :rotfl:....national location database for when ID cards just don't hack it!

Mathew

I thought average speed cameras were just that and monitored people travelling to fast.

My understanding was that ANPR cameras are used live with assistance of technology to alert police off stolen cars, DVLA offences etc...

1984ReturnsForReal_2

JMC39 wrote: »

Hi,

Having just driven between Birmingham and Nottingham, I have been having to go through multiple average speed cameras.

Does anybody know what data the government collects with these? Seeing as they are ANRP cameras it is entirely possible that they could be used to monitor individuals location at any given time..... however I am sure the government would never want to monitor us like that :rotfl:....national location database for when ID cards just don't hack it!

You think wrong my friend.

All the data is kept.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Mathew wrote: »

I thought average speed cameras were just that and monitored people travelling to fast.

My understanding was that ANPR cameras are used live with assistance of technology to alert police off stolen cars, DVLA offences etc...

Yet another misguided individual.

Its all kept.

Mathew

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Yet another misguided individual.

Its all kept.

Sorry, not sure I follow. I don't mean to seem rude, but what am misguided about? I am genuinely curious, whats all kept?

dacouch

The governments big brother network extends its tenticles once more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/sep/15/civilliberties.police

Yes thats right, they will store all ANPR camera footage for 5 years at Hendon, which other country would put up with the amount of survellance etc we have.

No doubt there will be lots of posters saying "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about". Well I do, its about civil liberties, we used to laugh at the amount of survellance and the police states in eastern europe. Well now the UK is at the forefront of cctv survellance in the world and I'm not sure I'm easy about it

JMC39

Thanks for the info guys, I am shocked that they actually keep the data.....I guess they need to keep it to protect us from "terrorists"!

max2009

Most cameras now are ANPR (motorways,town roads,petrol and service stations).All info is stored in computer databases and is especially useful to monitor an individuals movements at any given time like they do for mobile phone location tracing.

HO87

Right, and so the remainder of us 60m+ have to forego our civil liberties for a vanishingly small percentage of so-called terrorists? This obsession with data about us, what we do, when we do it, with whom, how and where is extremely concerning and unfortunately we have been drawn into acquiessance and, on occasions, actually demanding that the powers-at-be do it. The constant clamour for more CCTV? Don't poeple realise that for CCTV to be really effective it would have to be everywhere? At present, besides the poor, cerebrally challenged individuals who perform when p*ssed or stoned, all that CCTV is doing is displacing crime, though to use the word "displacement" is regarded as heresy.

ANPR is providing very larger quantities of raw data and was part-argued into existence on the basis that it would enable the police (and other law enforcement agencies) to track major criminals. The problem is that they don't have the other half of the data (in a reliable form) to really match the two together. So what is this being used for now?

The current government has an unhealthy interest in our lives born partly out of their collective belief in "social-engineering" as a means of achieving change in social attitudes, health and education. The police jumped on the band-wagon years ago and just ride along in the slipstream and when one factors in their asserting themselves as some form of social arbiter (just read Sir Ian Blair's Dimbleby lecture of a few years ago if you don't believe me) one wonders how this can be reconciled with the still much-vaunted ethic of "policing by consent"?

There has been an exponential increase in surveillance over the last 10 years and there are now swathes of official (and some non-official) organisations who monitor our activities. This is not healthy for what remains of our democracy.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Mathew wrote: »

Sorry, not sure I follow. I don't mean to seem rude, but what am misguided about? I am genuinely curious, whats all kept?

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Pretty much the location of your car, the time & date & a nice little pic..

flang

I install these anpr camera for a living and can confirm that any data collected is not saved.
ANPR cameras on the motorway are used for journey time survey only, once the vehicle number plate is detected some letters of the plate is automatically removed for data protection. This data is sent back to a central daabase to determine the distance travelled and time.

I believe the police have ANPR sites installed for tax and insurence purposes although I have not come accross any on the jobs that i have worked on.