Public sector monster needs to be tamed

chewmylegoff

ukcarper wrote: »

It's not only the public sector that have final salary schemes

yes, but the private sector ones have assets.

well....they used to.

Old_Slaphead

StevieJ wrote: »

Is envy one of the seven deadly sins

Totally, absolutely, 100% agree.

I've saved really, really hard for my pension over the last 20 years and seen it blown away by this idiot government.

I can't afford to retire because I'm expected to contribute to the lavish pensions provided to our public servants and now support the profligate bankers.

FWIW I'm someone who's worked very hard in the manufacturing sector that has been ignored by Government for decades in favour of public sector expansion and sycophancy towards the great financial service sector. Fat lot of good that's done.

treliac

bigheadxx wrote: »

Its not only public sector workers that work with vulnerable people. You just wouldnt get away with these levels of sickness in a private firm.

If you're referring to private home care agencies, many of them are failing their clients dismally. Even more so if they encourage staff to take potentially lethal infections into vulnerable people.

bigheadxx

beingjdc wrote: »

Go on, I'd get in there if I were you. East Sussex County Council needs 30 homecare assistants. 20 hours a week, and after three years you'll earn £9680 a year. If you're 40 now and do it until you're 60, and contribute to the pension scheme, you'll retire on the princely sum of £62 a week.

And all you have to do is spend nineteen thousand hours wiping pensioners' and disabled kids' bums when they're too far gone to do it themselves. I don't see how you could refuse, really!

Or you could go and work in a hotel/bar cleaning S**t and sick up until 4 o clock in the morning for the fantastic reward of £5.72 per hour with no pension, no trade union representation, no sick benefits or job security and then when you are too old to do that work in a petrol station into your seventies just o you can afford to put the heating on.

Old_Slaphead

beingjdc wrote: »

Go on, I'd get in there if I were you. East Sussex County Council needs 30 homecare assistants. 20 hours a week, and after three years you'll earn £9680 a year. If you're 40 now and do it until you're 60, and contribute to the pension scheme, you'll retire on the princely sum of £62 a week.

At least I could do that job - they couldn't do mine!

Doesn't sound that difficult for £10 ph

Many people in our factory only get £5.72 any there's some pretty crap jobs there! Public sector doesn't have a monopoly!

tuggy12

ukcarper wrote: »

It's not only the public sector that have final salary schemes

But it is only the public sector that has guaranteed final salary schemes.

There are no public sector pension funds in the PPF !!

beingjdc

bigheadxx wrote: »

Or you could go and work in a hotel/bar cleaning S**t and sick up until 4 o clock in the morning for the fantastic reward of £5.72 per hour with no pension, no trade union representation, no sick benefits or job security and then when you are too old to do that work in a petrol station into your seventies just o you can afford to put the heating on.

So parts of the leisure industry treat their employees like crap, that doesn't mean we should make everywhere else worse to match them.

Old_Slaphead

beingjdc wrote: »

So parts of the leisure industry treat their employees like crap, that doesn't mean we should make everywhere else worse to match them.

It's called supply & demand. Doesn't mean they treat employees like crap. They have to make a profit to survive.

They'd probably like to to pay ten quid an hour but they probably wouldn't get the punters.

bigheadxx

beingjdc wrote: »

So parts of the leisure industry treat their employees like crap, that doesn't mean we should make everywhere else worse to match them.

No mention of being treated like crap! That is just an example of a low paid private sector job. You could earn £20-£30K in the private sector and still get no sick pay, no benefits etc I was using this example because the post quoted was using a similar level job that is actually paying nearly twice as much and also pays out a pension from the age of 60 whilst the poor fellar to whom I refer has got another decade of low pay and impoverishment.

beingjdc

bigheadxx wrote: »

No mention of being treated like crap! That is just an example of a low paid private sector job. You could earn £20-£30K in the private sector and still get no sick pay, no benefits etc I was using this example because the post quoted was using a similar level job that is actually paying nearly twice as much and also pays out a pension from the age of 60 whilst the poor fellar to whom I refer has got another decade of low pay and impoverishment.

Minimum wage, no unions, no other benefits, and cleaning up sick and poo? Sounds pretty crap to me. When I got my first full-time private sector job I earned £16k. I got sick pay and a contributory pension.

In fairness, you probably need skills to do old people's homecare that you don't need to be a cleaner in a hotel. Ability to drive would be necessary in a lot of places, some training in dealing with the mentally confused though I imagine they'd give you that, and in particular a decent command of English so you can work out what they're telling you.