Public sector monster needs to be tamed

beingjdc

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

LA pensions (well for the accounts I've investigated) are much more heavily invested in equities (up to 60%)

The figures I can find - from pension advisers and the pension service, here's one - http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.htm?idContent=1260265 - suggest that 60% is about average for a UK pension fund.

donaldtramp

So you equate council workings (nurses, teacher, policemen etc) as lazy. Nobody in the public sector works hard? That’s quite a broad statement to make. The public sector provides a service to us all.

Nurses,(work hard:T ) teachers (bout 18 weeks holiday a year) policemen(retire at 50) What about the thousands and thousands of non jobs created in the public sector that the tax payer is picking up the tab?

Have a look here to see some of the more "choice" non jobs.
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2009/03/nonjob-of-the-week.html

But at last, something is happening!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5804748.ece
40,000 jobs threatened as recession hits town halls

About time!!! Lets hope the cull continues!

Personally I think public sector workers are entitled to a pension in the same way as my employer contributes to my pension.

Of course people should be getting a pension, but it shouldn't be topped up by the taxpayer.

Nobody mentioned anything about "squeezing the most out of the system". Your post was about public sector pension funds.

If you have read some of my orther posts, the public sector is used to a far greater extent by the underclass who choose benefits as a way of life. THis is all supported by the taxpayers.

I am sure that there are many public sector workers out there that would be quite offended at your description of them as "wasters lifes".

That comment was aimed at the benefits lifestyle choice crew.

The cogs of government are inefficient. I don't think anyone will dispute that so what’s your alternative? Cut taxes and reduce services? Privatise the NHS? Remove the roots of the evil socialists? What is your idea of socialists? A provision for public health and pensions?

No, "socialism" has provided an inefficient system with overly generous packages for the public sector and the benefits lifestyle choice punters.

I am not sure the alternative is any better though. They do that in The States, the rich have expensive medical insurance whilst the poor get whatever provision they can. Hoping to god they don’t lose their job and get ill at the same time.

I agree that is a poor alternative.

You seem to have a skewed view of life. On the one size are the "hard workers" (including yourself) whilst the rest are wasters. How about the hard workers that get very little pay.

How about the hard workers who get very little pay and yet subsidise the public sectors pensions? IS THAT FAIR?
No "skewed view" of life here.

How about people that go to a failing inner city school and are far less likely to have the opportunity to go to higher education?

If you have the drive you should still make it. This is usually down to upbringing I believe. I didn't go to a good school and I'm doing well.

How about the rich bankers who retire at 50 with large pensions or footballers who get paid £40,000 a week?

I agree with you that this is ridiculous.

You seem to equate people with low paid jobs as lazy which really isn't the case.

No I don't. I've done my share of poor paid jobs as well. I have never said that on this board and I don't beleive it. You are totally incorrect.

I am not sure how your diatribe about people on benefits is relevant to a discussion about public sector pensions so I won’t follow up that point.

Relevant because that is where a good sum of taxpayers money is spent. Mine included.

Anyone else you want to bash except for public sector workers, the low paid and the unemployed because we are running out of people?

I have never bashed the low paid. Public sector workers set themselves up as an easy target. They must realise they are on a good number. (Compared with equivalent staff in the private sector) Is that clear for you now???

Genuine unemployed who try to get jobs, I have full respect for. Lazy "bad back" syndrome, on the "sick", should be targetted, absolutely.

donaldtramp

Since Labour came to power in 1997, tax rises have averaged £6,200 per household; so one of the fastest-rising costs facing ordinary families has been the cost of government.

The NHS budget must be first. It has been fed like a foie gras goose for the last few years: its budget has more than doubled while the quality of the service — to put it politely — has not.

On education, too, Mr Brown can claim the dubious achievement of doubling spending in real terms while English schools have plummeted in world performance tables. Not only are we being overtaken by other countries, but international studies show standards are falling here. So it is — staggeringly — that extra money has coincided with a decline in standards.

An inkling of why taxpayers are a bit peeved?
From:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/2626276/part_2/want-to-cut-taxes-first-cut-spending-heres-how.thtml

Have a read, you might learn something.

beingjdc

donaldtramp wrote: »

Nurses,(work hard:T ) teachers (bout 18 weeks holiday a year) policemen(retire at 50) What about the thousands and thousands of non jobs created in the public sector that the tax payer is picking up the tab?

Have a look here to see some of the more "choice" non jobs.
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2009/03/nonjob-of-the-week.html

I tend not to visit that website for the good of my blood pressure, but making an exception today reveals that their "non job of the week" is, er, a traffic warden.

Presumably under the TPA's glorious rule we would all be allowed to park wherever we liked, regardless of whose way we were in or what the consequences were?

bigheadxx

beingjdc wrote: »

I tend not to visit that website for the good of my blood pressure, but making an exception today reveals that their "non job of the week" is, er, a traffic warden.

Presumably under the TPA's glorious rule we would all be allowed to park wherever we liked, regardless of whose way we were in or what the consequences were?

Rather than the state controlling every aspect of our lives maybe a common sense attitude should prevail. You are talking as if only the state knows what is good for us whereas many experiments show that this is not the case. Studies show that where regulation is removed people are forced to develop their own natural ways of interacting with each other. Take a look at this :http://www.onthecommons.org/content.php?id=1998

So the fact that the traffic warden is not their will not mean the end of civilisation as we know it but will lead to common sense prevailing as it should in all situations rather than being dictated by the state.

donaldtramp

I tend not to visit that website for the good of my blood pressure, but making an exception today reveals that their "non job of the week" is, er, a traffic warden.

It's a apparently a,
"On Board Civil Enforcement Officer
£21,672 - £22,977"
It makes my blood boil as well but for a totally different reason from you I suspect. It highlights the massive billions of pounds worth of waste in the public sector. I'm so glad they founded that website! I think I'll join up. They do a great job.

Heres this weeks non job
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/nonjobs/

Presumably under the TPA's glorious rule we would all be allowed to park wherever we liked, regardless of whose way we were in or what the consequences were?

I'm absolutely over the moon that you brought up parking wardens and parking regs. I personally have done my bit to re-dress the balance a wee bit.
I got sick of parking regulations being used as a cash cow for Councils. It is no longer about keeping roads open etc. It is all about generating money for the public sector, using motorists as a piggy bank. Since Councils gain rights under de-criminalised parking regimes the money has flowed directly into their coffers.

I found a flaw though. The Councils were trying to unlawfully collect money they weren't entitled to collect.
Have a read at these stories.....

£4.7 million pounds written off
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2411588.0.Council_writes_off_4m_of_parking_tickets.php

and
£2.65 million pounds written off
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6956426.stm

Tax payers alliance(same story)
http://tpa.typepad.com/media/2008/09/aberdeen-evenin.html

That really was me!! I have exposed and had well over 7 MILLION pounds worth of parking tickets cancelled.:beer::beer::beer::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I'm not finished either, there are some more stories on their way;)

Hows that beingjdc? Proud of me standing up for what I think?
Not everyone on forums just speaks about things. Glad I could do my bit!!

P.S. If you need help with parking tickets

http://www.pepipoo.com/ is the place to go

beingjdc

donaldtramp wrote: »

Heres this weeks non job
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/nonjobs/

Oh I saw that the other day and considered applying for about thirty seconds. The TPA have completely misunderstood what the job is, and seem to have assumed that "Community" means "Ethnic Minority Community" and decided to turn the existence of a job which is definitely necessary under the current set up (as in, there are a range of things the Council is legally required to do right now, which someone needs to be employed to do, and looking at them I think they are mostly things the Council would want to carry on doing even if the legal duty was removed) into a bizarre rant about how there are too many ethnics and the people should be employed as border guards instead (not sure what they'd do in Northampton, stop people coming over from Milton Keynes I guess?).

Anyway, well done on finding a loophole, I'm sure it will be closed.

bigheadxx wrote:

Rather than the state controlling every aspect of our lives maybe a common sense attitude should prevail. You are talking as if only the state knows what is good for us whereas many experiments show that this is not the case. Studies show that where regulation is removed people are forced to develop their own natural ways of interacting with each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjZg3YdLNOU
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

bigheadxx

beingjdc wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjZg3YdLNOU
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ample room to park on both sids of the road. Local council has obviously imposed unecessary parking restrictions for reasons only known and understood to themselves. So had they been able to park there this scenario would not have arisen.

mewbie_2

Just wondered if the public service monster has been tamed yet, or do we need another 11 pages?

Cleaver

mewbie wrote: »

Just wondered if the public service monster has been tamed yet, or do we need another 11 pages?

This thread is getting longer than the minutes produced at the meetings at the local council, done by the Strategic Meetings and Relationships Devlopment Coordinating Manager.

38k a year for that post I hear. And they're Polish. And claiming child benefit. And bought added years on their pension. And they own a BTL. And they vote Labour. And...