Public sector monster needs to be tamed

mewbie_2

Cleaver wrote: »

38k a year for that post I hear. And they're Polish. And claiming child benefit. And bought added years on their pension. And they own a BTL. And they vote Labour. And...

You couldn't make it up could you? The UK's gone crazy. Us hard working British tax payers need to get up off our [strike]lazy asses [/strike]er hard working behinds and threaten to withdraw our labour (not that I support the Unions) until [strike]Labour[/strike] er [strike]Tory[/strike] er [strike]Liberal[/strike] er BNP can get this country back on its feet. I remember voting for [strike]Mr. Scargill[/strike] er Enoch Powell (look it up you young ones) and many years later I'm still waiting for what's rightfully mine. When I think of the sacrifices I have made, during two wars and a famine I can mod: that is absolutely it Mewbie. You are within a whisker of a PPR. I don't get paid to read this crap you know

littlemrtinkle

Public sector jobs are one of the fairest to apply for, they are advertised in job centres, online and mosques etc. I work for a private company where all pay rises, promotions are very much cloak and dagger, whats stopping all the public sector knockers from applying for a public sector job if everything is so rosey? Could it be the pay not being so good? etc etc etc etc :-)

beingjdc

bigheadxx wrote: »

Ample room to park on both sids of the road. Local council has obviously imposed unecessary parking restrictions for reasons only known and understood to themselves. So had they been able to park there this scenario would not have arisen.

There clearly isn't room to park on the sides of the road unless you remove the central reservation parking, which would be a net loss of space. You could, with that there and parking down the sides, just about still squeeze a car through, but not a van, ambulance, fire engine, bus, etc.

donaldtramp

beingjdc,

Anyway, well done on finding a loophole, I'm sure it will be closed.

It wasn't a loophole that was found, it was a High Court Judgement against Councils. What the Councils were doing was proved in a High Court to be unlawful. They were refused leave to appeal. I can get the High Court judgement if you want? So not a "loophole" then.

As for it being closed, eh, I don't think so! In fact I'd say its on the verge of bursting into the wide open, causing massive pain and massive money problems nationwide for Councils.
A High Court challenge has been funded and lodged by private motorists against Councils.

Have a read here:
http://www.motoristslegalchallenge.co.uk/neil-herron.html
You can donate to the cause.

See, people are fighting back. I'm glad to be one of them! It isn't mere talking on a forum;)

beingjdc

donaldtramp wrote: »

It wasn't a loophole that was found it was a High Court Judgement against Councils. What the Councils were doing was proved in a High Court to be unlawful. They were refused leave to appeal. I can get the High Court judgement if you want? So not a "loophole" then.

So the law wasn't what the public authorities thought it was, in a way that probably wasn't the intention of the people who wrote the law. Surely that's what a loophole is

Anyway good luck, I won't be contributing, for a number of reasons;

1) I gave up my car a few years ago, I don't really need one where I live at the moment.
2) The only time I ever have had a parking issue, it was because I was clamped by the private sector.
3) The only time I have helped a friend who got a Council parking ticket, the Council backed down right away and accepted the friend had not been unlawfully parked after all.
4) I quite like systems where more money is charged to people who break the rules, it keeps things cheaper for the rest of us. You know what will happen if you succeed in "causing massive money problems nationwide for Councils", and you won't like it. Neither will I.

donaldtramp

I quite like systems where more money is charged to people who break the rules, it keeps things cheaper for the rest of us.

That's the problem it was the Councils who unlawfully collected millions. Glad to have got some of it back. I like sticking it up them. Those "public servants" who live off the back of everyone else.

You know what will happen if you succeed in "causing massive money problems nationwide for Councils", and you won't like it. Neither will I.

Pepipoo has 25,000 registered members, all fighting back and we will like it;). Trust me, we will really, truly savour it. The whole point of this thread actually and we won't stop till we do.

A._Badger

beingjdc wrote: »

You know what will happen if you succeed in "causing massive money problems nationwide for Councils", and you won't like it. Neither will I.

You mean we'll have to struggle on with a few less 'diversity awareness officers' 'street football facilitators' or 'compost doctors'?

I think we'll manage. Somehow.

RobertoMoir

bigheadxx wrote: »

Personally I think public sector workers are entitled to a pension in the same way as my employer contributes to my pension.

You are right Christopheb, the problem is that this is not what is happening. Public sector pensions are being subsidised by the taxpayer.

Ah well here's the thing. I could earn more in the private sector than I currently do in the public sector. If people want to take away the current "extra" benefits my current job attracts over and above the equivalent private sector job, that's fine but I'd quite like the pay to be equalled out too in that case. After all, if we're being fair then we really ought to be fair right? Or does fair only apply when it's convenient?

Of course, equalising the pay would mean that all the money saved on public sector pensions, plus possibly a bit more, would need to go into pay increases which I would then use to..er.. buy a pension. Gosh, I'm glad we spent all that effort and spent all that public money otherwise... oh wait nothing actually changed here did it?

Now who's being inefficient with public funds? Still, at least we're being "fair" now.

I absolutely agree with the idea that we need to fundamentally re-examine a lot of our assumptions about civil service and local government jobs and the like, but I'm afraid it isn't as simplistic as some people seem to think.

As for being lazy... Well I agree that I've had faster paced jobs. However, I'm not sure that means that I'm lazy now or that anyone else I work with is. If this year I actually get a chance to use all of my holiday allowance and not have to carry about half a week forwards because I'm too busy to use it all up, it'll be the first time in about four years.

The "crazy" jobs that grab all the headlines? I suspect there's less of those overall than the headlines would have you believe. But I blink with disbelief at some of them too. At the end of the day, I just hope people remember stuff like that when the next election comes... the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.... hmm that sounds familiar.

bigheadxx

RobertoMoir wrote: »

Ah well here's the thing. I could earn more in the private sector than I currently do in the public sector. If people want to take away the current "extra" benefits my current job attracts over and above the equivalent private sector job, that's fine but I'd quite like the pay to be equalled out too in that case. After all, if we're being fair then we really ought to be fair right? Or does fair only apply when it's convenient?

Of course, equalising the pay would mean that all the money saved on public sector pensions, plus possibly a bit more, would need to go into pay increases which I would then use to..er.. buy a pension. Gosh, I'm glad we spent all that effort and spent all that public money otherwise... oh wait nothing actually changed here did it?

Now who's being inefficient with public funds? Still, at least we're being "fair" now.

I absolutely agree with the idea that we need to fundamentally re-examine a lot of our assumptions about civil service and local government jobs and the like, but I'm afraid it isn't as simplistic as some people seem to think.

As for being lazy... Well I agree that I've had faster paced jobs. However, I'm not sure that means that I'm lazy now or that anyone else I work with is. If this year I actually get a chance to use all of my holiday allowance and not have to carry about half a week forwards because I'm too busy to use it all up, it'll be the first time in about four years.

I could earn more in the private sector than I currently do in the public sector

This is your misaprehension. It is the same as me saying I could earn more in the public sector. You might as well say "I went for a job in the private sector and wasnt the best candidate so I'll go and work in the public sector"

Nobody I know who works in the Public Sector is not their for the money and that is a fact. Teachers, Managers, Administrators, Nurses etc are all earning at the top of their expectations and ability and have had massive pay rises over the last ten years without any improvement in productivity and performance.

What will have to happen now is ten years (at least) of things going in the opposite direction where inflation is higher that public sector wage inflation to rebalance the economy and safeguard the future of this country.

Labour has done what it has done every time, spent more money than it had and spent it unwisely.

beingjdc

bigheadxx wrote: »

Nobody I know who works in the Public Sector is not their for the money and that is a fact. Teachers, Managers, Administrators, Nurses etc are all earning at the top of their expectations and ability and have had massive pay rises over the last ten years without any improvement in productivity and performance.

Ten years ago, I did a law degree. Now, in the public sector, with all the experienced gained since then, I earn the same wage as a younger friend of mine with a law degree just got as their starting salary at a London law firm.

Am I in it for the money?