Public sector monster needs to be tamed

Andy_L

donaldtramp wrote: »

NOBODY in the private sector gets that. and that goes for cleaners,

Nobody? are you sure about that:rolleyes:

Old_Slaphead

Cleaver wrote: »

Duh. The Council would. Do keep up.

And where would they get the money from ? I presume that you'd be happy to accept an IOU ?

Old_Slaphead

Andy_L wrote: »

Nobody? are you sure about that:rolleyes:

Allegedly around 11% of private sector now have final salary schemes with very few of these now open to new entrants.

The majority of schemes are provided by the banking industry and the privatised utilities (the latter of which also benefits, as I understand it, from a government guarantee which was drawn up at the time of privatisation).

perplexed.com

oh dear!

I am a psychologist and I work in the NHS. I don't want to work in private practice, where the work would be easier, I'd get perks ( I get none, now apart from the pension) and pay would be higher.
I believe that everyone deserves help regardless of income and I don't just work for money anyway. Should I think of myself only and move to the private sector then? I do also often help people to stay at work, get into work when otherwise their mental health would prevent this. Does this not help the economy at all?
I did not opt for this career on financial grounds as I would be pretty awful at it, if I had. Also I pay taxes and spend my money in non-public sector shops and businesses!

StevieJ

You have a field day on here

perplexed.com

StevieJ wrote: »

You have a field day on here

You seem quite sane, StevieJ!

StevieJ

perplexed.com wrote: »

You seem quite sane, StevieJ!

Thanks, I was going to say that it is a pity you are not a psychiatrist but I thought that was going too far

donaldtramp

I am a psychologist and I work in the NHS. I don't want to work in private practice, where the work would be easier, I'd get perks ( I get none, now apart from the pension) and pay would be higher.

I know there are good people working in the public sector and doing a good job. I applaud you.

I believe that everyone deserves help regardless of income and I don't just work for money anyway.

I totally agree people should receive help when they need it, The thing that gets me is that there has been a move to "entitlements" rather than responsibility to provide for yourself in our society. It's much easier to suckle up to the state. I also agree that there is much, much more to life than money.

Should I think of myself only and move to the private sector then? I do also often help people to stay at work, get into work when otherwise their mental health would prevent this. Does this not help the economy at all?

If you are happy where you are, good for you.
I'll explain what I'm thinking. The massive increase in spending at the NHS has produced no where near the returns it should have. Money is wasted left right and centre. What is going to happen as the population gets proportionally older with even less people in work supporting them?

I did not opt for this career on financial grounds as I would be pretty awful at it, if I had. Also I pay taxes and spend my money in non-public sector shops and businesses!

It's all good that you pay taxes but proportionately you get more back in your pension provision. You are also supported by a huge bureaucracy. I on the other hand get next to nothing from the state for the money I put in. (bins emptied maybe?)
As my dad said after working shifts for 30 years,
"I wonder how many peoples kids I've paid to bring up from my tax?" He was out in all weathers when people on the dole were lying in their bed expecting the state to feed, water and house them. We know a good number of families who have never worked and don't have even the slightest intention of doing so either.
That really annoys folk (it aint just me!)

I'm in the same boat as my dad, I'm lucky I've got a good job that pays well, but now it's my turn to bring up the great unwashed, courtesy of my taxes.
But I'm nasty and bitter according to some posters. I really don't think so. I should be able to enjoy some of the fruits of my hard labour (and I have worked hard) without subsidising other people. Now that would be fair!

Cleaver

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

And where would they get the money from ? I presume that you'd be happy to accept an IOU ?

They'd get the money from sales of sarcasm and humour detectors.

ChristopheB

donaldtramp wrote: »

I'm fed up hearing this "but I'm low paid" moan!
What about the millions of low paid private sector workers who are subsidising your pension? They don't get your cast iron benefits, but they do PAY for them!!!
Woopydoo, you pay 6 % into your pension! The employer (the Council) pays in 18%!!!! (see below) This is absolutely outrageous.

Here is an exerpt from Aberdeen City Councils pension page about how they calculate pensions. The payments are increasing from the Council! From 2.5 times employers contributions to 3 times, by the end of this year!

NOBODY in the private sector gets that. and that goes for cleaners, bar staff and the millions of other "low paid" staff.

You are getting away with murder and you should at least realise you are.

<lol> haha your pensions rubbish<lol>

Don't blame the public sector because you lost out...