End of the line for Vauxhall if the government refuse to bail them out.

itsnever2lateisit?

You take my post to literally Scooter. The current Astra was designed and engineered elsewhere. The machine tooling to build it was also made elsewhere, all that happens at the Vauxhall plant is assembly of the parts, same goes for Toyota, Nissan and Honda. Only JLR have the R&D and engineering based in the UK of all the volume makers.

I would doubt your figure of £1bn of exports of vauxhall badged product, but would be delighted to be wrong. I can understand vans going overseas, but apart from Ireland and Cyprus can see where the Astra would be exported to, particularly as on mainland europe they are Opels, and I would of thought it would be cheaper to used factories in europe where LHD cars are produced

scooter100_2

lukekelly wrote: »

If the situation is that one factory can produce cars for £10,000 and another for £12,000 but the more expensive factory is subsidised to the tune of £3,000 per car then I'd say let them throw their money away. )

You are wrong.The difference in cost per comparitive car between car factories in western Europe is a couple of hundred pounds at most and this is always down to the volume that the plant produces

scooter100_2

itsnever2lateisit? wrote: »

I would doubt your figure of £1bn of exports of vauxhall badged product, but would be delighted to be wrong. I can understand vans going overseas, but apart from Ireland and Cyprus can see where the Astra would be exported to, particularly as on mainland europe they are Opels, and I would of thought it would be cheaper to used factories in europe where LHD cars are produced

The van plant alone exported circa 70000+ vehicles in 2008.As for Ellesmere Port the factory produces Astras for Vauxhall and Opel.As for being cheaper the devalued pound against the Euro makes them more competitive than those produced overseas.

lukekelly_2

How can I be wrong about something I didn't claim to be the case? I gave a hypothetical situation to illustrate a general point. Feel free to argue about the whether the conclusion follows from the hypothesis or indeed whether its a meaningful hypothesis. It is a failure of logic though to argue that A=>B is wrong because A does not hold.

ex falso sequitur quodlibet

scooter100_2

lukekelly wrote: »

How can I be wrong about something I didn't claim to be the case? I gave a hypothetical situation to illustrate a general point. Feel free to argue about the whether the conclusion follows from the hypothesis or indeed whether its a meaningful hypothesis. It is a failure of logic though to argue that A=>B is wrong because A does not hold.

ex falso sequitur quodlibet

You stated their is a £3000 difference in the cost of making cars in different factories.Their isnt.

chewmylegoff

scooter100 wrote: »

As for being cheaper the devalued pound against the Euro makes them more competitive than those produced overseas.

that would work, if only all the parts weren't imported.

scooter100_2

chewmylegoff wrote: »

that would work, if only all the parts weren't imported.

The content is nowhere near %100 imported.The steel alone is wholely manufactured in the UK.

lukekelly_2

scooter100 wrote: »

You stated their is a £3000 difference in the cost of making cars in different factories.Their isnt.

Please reread my post, that's not what I wrote. I said "If [there is a £3000 difference]". It is a conditional sentence, not a claim that the hypothesis holds.

If it makes you happier you can pretend that the hypothetical situation postulated was a £100 difference not a £3000 difference, but it makes no difference at all to the argument advanced.

itsnever2lateisit?

scooter100 wrote: »

You stated their is a £3000 difference in the cost of making cars in different factories.Their isnt.

Which is at odds with your statement at post #54

As for being cheaper the devalued pound against the Euro makes them more competitive than those produced overseas

mark5

The factory where I work due to a loss of orders have had to make redundancies and we have all taken a pay cut. Its time the car manufacturers started taking the same approach rather than asking the government for bail outs.

If the government helps out Vauxhall then why shouldnt they help house builders and every other British company thats provided jobs over the last few decades and have fallen on hard times?

The workforce were employed to meet demand of orders, if those orders dont exist in the same volume then the workforce needs to be cut down or wages need to be cut in order to make the books balance!