Breeding our Dog

faye6174

Can anyone advise if I am allowed to breed from our 2yr old Labrador? I am not thinking of opening a stud farm or anything just the odd litter.

He is KC reg and i would not expect to charge lots and lots. (I have family members queing for one of his pups!)

My reason for asking is that i would have to advertise and i am not sure where i stand legally if i were to do this. Moral guidance not required.

suki1964

Go back to the breeder of your dog and ask for advice. Its not clear cut and here isnt the place

Generally the answer is, if you have to ask then you shouldnt be breeding

mrcol1000

With all the stray dogs desperate for homes in homes across the UK and with councils putting strays to sleep because few dog homes will accept them don't you think it'd be better to encourage family members who are desperate for a dog to give a home to one of them? Rather than producing yet more dogs to add to the numbers?

Topdogfran

Labradors (and their crosses) are one of the most commonly found breeds in rescue. Just being KC registered isn't an indication of quality (and you would only be breeding to improve the breed wouldn't you? Making money is not why responsible breeders breed, because basically, you don't make money breeding responsibly). Your dog would need a minimum of having his hips xrayed and scored. You need to be able to accomodate the !!!!!, have somebody with experience of breeding on hand, not all dogs know what to do naturally and may need some assistance.........

His temperament may change in such a way that he is no longer a good family pet - he may go hunting for female dogs once he's tasted the 'good life'

suki1964

faye6174 wrote: »

Can anyone advise if I am allowed to breed from our 2yr old Labrador? I am not thinking of opening a stud farm or anything just the odd litter.

He is KC reg and i would not expect to charge lots and lots. (I have family members queing for one of his pups!)

My reason for asking is that i would have to advertise and i am not sure where i stand legally if i were to do this. Moral guidance not required.

The advice still stands = go see the breeder of your dog,

rocketdog_2

you won't make money breeding from him despite him being KC registed. your dog needs to be at the top of his class of breed (awarded) before a responsible breeder will pay to use him. also he needs all the usual checks of this breed , hip scores etc. if not you'll get irresponsible people paying you £50 (and no pick of the litter) to try and make a quick buck from theese poor puppies. people like that don't check their female dog's (it bans the correct term!) hip scores etc and puppies with problems are born and then unfortunatley unwanted.

if your family want dogs like yours, point them in the direction of your breeder.

hethmar

The answer to your question is yes, any old joe can breed from dogs - hence the fact 8000 a year are put down as unwanted and thats just in council pounds.

How many members of your family are able to care for a dog for the next 16 years perhaps? If not that many what is going to happen to the rest of the litters over which you have no control?

Sorry, but a day at a pound seeing dogs being pts for no reason but the fact they are no longer wanted would make you think again Im sure.

UKTigerlily

Many years ago my ex boss's Cousin bred her Female Labrador & she had I believe 8-10 Pups, do you have 8-10 homes lined up? Are you willing to take back any of those Pups at any time in their life? (They as i'm sure you know can live 12-14yrs+). Would you take back a sick/old/viscious Dog? Do you have the knowledge to guide new Owners through everything?

The Breeder of your Own Dog will (I imagine, i'm no expert) have either stated he's NOT to be bred from, in which case why hasn't he been Castrated? or they will have said he can be used as a stud Dog, but i'd be very suprised if a responsible & reputable Breeder will have given permission for one of their Pups to be used as a Stud Dog by an unknowledgeable Owner.

He needs to be of outstanding temperament & conformation/looks, to have titles & to be health scored, i'm not sure of the health tests for labs but believe hip scoring is one of them. This doesn't come cheap. Even if you think (And i'm not saying you are) that because a friend is having the Pups it doesn't matter, it does. If you're going to breed only exceptionally healthy Dogs should be used.

Why can't the people wanting Pups go to Labrador Rescue? My friend is a Vet Nurse & has two rescue Labs & they weren't even from the breed Rescue but your normal type, one was 6 months old when she got her so Pups do come up.

It doesn't sound like you have knowledge yourself & whoever above said that you need someone on hand who knows their stuff is correct, it may seem obvious but many Dogs need assistance & the !!!!! may not like him or be ready & may refuse, she could turn on him.

It sounds like (And apologies if i'm wrong) you're wanting to breed him as you have people asking for his Pups? Well, if it's not to better the breed he shouldn't be bred from. Them wanting Pups isn't a reason, they can go to the Breeder you got yours from or a Rescue surely? Please also check the contract you should've signed when getting your Dog, it may well say he's not to be bred from in which case should the Breeder find out, which they may well do as word gets about in Breeding circles, you could be sued!

I hope you understand that people here *will* be very opinionated & come out with the morals of it, but even if we didn't love animals this *is* a moneysaving site & breeding is NOT cheap nor profitable. We may come across as on our moral high horses & unfriendly but it's because we love animals & so many are in Rescue, many of us have Rescue Pets & have worked with Rescues, and to see someone wanting to add to that is not easy!

(You may think it's not adding to it, but 8 people homing your Pups are 8 potential homes for Rescues, which could free up Rescue spaces for 8 more, so help 16 Dogs, plus all the Pedigrees in Rescue, of which there are thousands, came from the 'it's not my Pups that will end up in rescue' breeders)

IsoChick

Same as UKTigerlily

foreign_correspondent

How is your dog's hip score?

Are there any reasons why a good breeder would want to use him for stud?

ie. Is he a proven top notch gun dog, or show winner?

You may also want to consider the tax implications - any stud fees count as income!

As others have said, his behaviour may well change and you may find him over interested in females and hard to manage.

But - Pups are going for very little money now, (and the numbers of unwanted dogs rising) - this looks to be a long recession, and as a dog can be a big expense for much of the next two decades, wisely people are thinking twice before buying a pup.

Some pedigrees are going for a very low prices, and other breeders are having to give unsold litters over to rescue, as they cannot sell them for any money.

As for the "people queing for one of his pups" - could they not queue for one of the pups currently stuck in the pound? I assume they want a dog like yours is now - not the piddling chewing machine that a puppy is!

Sadly, there are planty of labradors in the pound, many, no doubt bred by someone just like you. Perhaps once bought by people wanting a dog "just like the parent" - forgetting that it took two years of consistent training to produce that dog, not just genetics.

There are some lovely, sound, friendly healthy pups and dogs, of all breeds in pounds and rescue. Some of them will sadly be put to sleep.

One of the pups your dog produces may well be there in a years time, when it has chewed the remote and widdled on the floor.

You say you don't need "moral guidance" - I am sorry, but ethics go with the territory. If you choose to ignore that, then I suggest that by definition, your decision fails to be responsible.

suki1964

And at the end of the day the dog is the dog - ie stud, so the pups dont belong to you to advertise.

What happens is the owner of the !!!!! she wants to put to pup studies the top specimens of the breed shes interested in, finds a stud who fits her criteria and pays a stud fee. The pups belong to her.

Now back street breeders - as you will be known as, often get the choice of "pick of the litter" in lieu of stud fees. Which means you get one pup.

Now if you are wanting the litter to sell on for fiancial purposes then you have to own the !!!!!. For fiancial gain, the only way you are going to make any money is go the whole hog of back street breeding and churn out litters twice a year - breeding the !!!!! into exhaustion.

Now even if you owned the !!!!! and you genuinely want pups for family members, have you really got up to 8 family members comitted to taking on a pup or can you in your circumstances afford to take on 8 pups yourself? Can you afford the medical checks before you even think about breeding? Can you afford the medical costs which are high before anything goes wrong - astronomical if things go wrong? Can you commit to hand feeding a litter every four hours if need be?

Reading your other posts on this forum, you have to forgive us for thinking you are looking for a cash cow cos belive me, from what you have posted you cannot afford to breed for any other reason then financial gain and you wont be getting any guidence for that here on this board from the regular posters