Working women almost certainly caused the credit crunch

Cleaver

dopester wrote: »

Do you know what GHD stands for? Probably you do. I didn't until recently when was asked, and guessed correctly. Expensive gear, but women seem to love them.

Y'know, I have no idea. I won't cheat by googling. Good or Great Hair Design?

dopester

Rofl - not bad guesses and fair play for honesty.

I guessed at "Good Hair Day" and was told it was right, but haven't checked for sure.

harrup

andrina_nightshade wrote: »

I didn't say those things because I feel that's all women do at home. I was merely picking two things at random. Ironing certainly isn't a "work for five minutes and spend the rest of the day watching TV" task. At least, if it's done properly. And baking is also very skilled - it takes years to get these things right.

The point I'm actually trying to make is that I feel I have a lot to give. I've spent years doing in-depth studies in science, I've juggled a job with school and uni, and worked hard to hone my knowledge and skills in these areas. I shouldn't be expected to toss those aside just because one day I'll have a family.

And as for the implication that I'm only in it for money or status... This shows a very naive idea of medicine. Working 50+ hours per week, going maybe 12 hours without sitting down or even grabbing something to drink, watching patients you've developed a relationship with deteriorate and die, knowing there's nothing you can do to help them, and after all that, getting verbally abused by drunken patients in A & E... Not to mention the constant reminder that someone's life is in your hands, and having to live with crushing guilt if you do make a mistake. And it takes years for you to get the big bucks people automatically think of when they the word doctor. I can think of plenty of others jobs where I'd earn that salary without being put through the emotional wringer every day.

Sometimes it can be hard to come across well on the Internet, so I do apologise if you felt that I was disrespeting stay-at-home mothers (or even stay-at-home fathers, for that matter). But I hope that you'll believe when I say that I don't want to be one of those "only in it for the money" type doctors. I want to be one of those "dedicated, engaged, focused" doctors, because I've met, and been treated by, enough of the other sort to have the same level of contempt for them as you have.

You have nothing to apologize for - it was I who fired at the wrong target. So...erm...I'm sorry

I was unduly snappish because whilst in principle I applaud and support any woman's efforts to be whatever it is she wants and needs to be...in practice it so often misfires. It was the word "doctor" which did it. If you said you wanted to be a librarian or business mogul - no worries.

Example: My ( female) GP used to be terrific. Dedicated, focused, yada-yada, the whole laudable kitncaboodle. Then she had little ones and now she is a waste of space to her patients. WHEN she works and that's unreliable enough. There is always some kind of home crisis that she has to deal with. Or the kids are off on holiday. Or one has conjunctivitis and she can't come in. Or she is rushing through her evening appointments because she want to read "Wind in the willows" to her kids, or whatever.

As a fellow woman I sympathize...as a patient I wish she'd just stay home UNTIL she can focus at the work that she is paid to do. If I hear another " I'm sorry but Dr X won't be here today" I'll make a formal complaint. As the saying goes "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". It is unacceptable to compromise patients continuity of care in the name of self-fulfillment. To me.

I have no doubt that you will be a valuable member to society and a great doctor. I also fervently believe that we "can have it all". But I'm wholly uncertain that we can have it all.... at the same time. At some point, with a young family, something's got to give. It shouldn't be those entrusted into your care. Be those your children.... or your patients.

andrina_nightshade

harrup wrote: »

Example: My ( female) GP used to be terrific. Dedicated, focused, yada-yada, the whole laudable kitncaboodle. Then she had little ones and now she is a waste of space to her patients. WHEN she works and that's unreliable enough. There is always some kind of home crisis that she has to deal with. Or the kids are off on holiday. Or one has conjunctivitis and she can't come in. Or she is rushing through her evening appointments because she want to read "Wind in the willows" to her kids, or whatever.

As a fellow woman I sympathize...as a patient I wish she'd just stay home UNTIL she can focus at the work that she is paid to do. If I hear another " I'm sorry but Dr X won't be here today" I'll make a formal complaint. As the saying goes "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". It is unacceptable to compromise patients continuity of care in the name of self-fulfillment. To me.

No worries Harrup

I can totally see your point - and probably most people could point out a doctor they've know who's undergone a similiar metamorphisis when they have a family (men included, but women by far are the worst offenders).

The problem with the "have it all" culture is that, at the end of the day, when she's done a hard day's work, a woman then has to work for another 7 - 8 hours washing, cooking, ironing, cleaning, etc, often without an equal amount of effort being input by her partner. No wonder so many women end up burnt out.

You're right - we can't always have it all at the same time. And we shouldn't feel forced to. Because, in the end, something's gotta give...

dopester

The Hotel Detective

A hotel detective was walking along the corridor of a large hotel one day. Suddenly, he heard a woman's voice cry out, "For God's sake, don't shoot me, John!"

Then there was a shot. He ran to the room from where the shot came and burst in. In one corner of the room lay a woman who had been shot through the heart. In the middle of the floor was the gun that had been used to shoot her On the other side of the room stood a postman, a lawyer, and an accountant. The detective looked at them for a moment and then went up to the postman, grabbed him, and said, "I am arresting you for the murder of that woman."

It was, in fact, the postman who had murdered the woman, but how did the hotel detective know? Never before had he seen any of the people in the room.

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baileysbattlebus

I'm a woman and to be honest I found the piece funny, it really appealed to my sense of humour. I'm sure, that based on other articles he has written it is not meant to be taken too seriously.

Here is an article written after Hurricane Katrina - it may upset some peoples sensibilities -

http://www.sluggerotoole.com/archives/2005/09/ill_wind_may_no.php

Cleaver

dopester wrote: »

That dectective thing

Due to the title of the thread I'm guessing that the postman was a bloke and the other two were women, amd as she shouted 'Don't shoot me John', he knew that it was the guy.

Do I win some sort of prize? A guided tour of your cave maybe?

joeblack066

ixwood wrote: »

I've never understood why woman want to work. Most of us would love to be at home instead!

Seems woman want their cake and to eat it these days. They (generally) don't seem as keen on being "equal" when it comes to washing cars, taking rubbish out, going in lofts, clearing drains and gutters, mowing grass, chopping wood etc etc.

Men and Woman are biologically different. That's not too say one or other is better, or worse, just different.

My 'equality' as you put it includes all of these, as well as having to constantly earn enough to support the household, as well as trying to be a decent Mum giving time to homework, baking, housework etc. The reason? Husband no1 ran off with a rich childless woman (perhaps the journalist would see this as his male right tho?) husband no2 alcoholic with DV issues (again, perhaps the journalist would see this as HIS male right too?) so far from materialistic, grabbing greediness sending me out to earn a crust, it's so I am not living on benefits at the cost of the taxpayer.
Guess what? Can't win either way! Hey ho.

lana22

andrina_nightshade wrote: »

I didn't say those things because I feel that's all women do at home. I was merely picking two things at random. Ironing certainly isn't a "work for five minutes and spend the rest of the day watching TV" task. At least, if it's done properly. And baking is also very skilled - it takes years to get these things right.

The point I'm actually trying to make is that I feel I have a lot to give. I've spent years doing in-depth studies in science, I've juggled a job with school and uni, and worked hard to hone my knowledge and skills in these areas. I shouldn't be expected to toss those aside just because one day I'll have a family.

And as for the implication that I'm only in it for money or status... This shows a very naive idea of medicine. Working 50+ hours per week, going maybe 12 hours without sitting down or even grabbing something to drink, watching patients you've developed a relationship with deteriorate and die, knowing there's nothing you can do to help them, and after all that, getting verbally abused by drunken patients in A & E... Not to mention the constant reminder that someone's life is in your hands, and having to live with crushing guilt if you do make a mistake. And it takes years for you to get the big bucks people automatically think of when they the word doctor. I can think of plenty of others jobs where I'd earn that salary without being put through the emotional wringer every day.

Sometimes it can be hard to come across well on the Internet, so I do apologise if you felt that I was disrespeting stay-at-home mothers (or even stay-at-home fathers, for that matter). But I hope that you'll believe when I say that I don't want to be one of those "only in it for the money" type doctors. I want to be one of those "dedicated, engaged, focused" doctors, because I've met, and been treated by, enough of the other sort to have the same level of contempt for them as you have.

I agree with you entirely, however people on here have a rather skewed view of doctors in the main.
People appear to think it's easy money earning £100k+ for playing golf. If only they knew the truth. If only it WAS 50 hours a week!
What year are you in? However much I moan about it, it is an amazing job, and your FY1 year will be the best year yet - no exams! I'm working hard and playing hard at the moment and it's great.
We had a patient who was with us for 2 months, who nearly died many times. He left last week, hugged us all and walked out of hospital carrying his own bag. I actually cried (much to the amusement of everyone else)- you get much more out of the job than money.

lana22

A hotel detective was walking along the corridor of a large hotel one day. Suddenly, he heard a woman's voice cry out, "For God's sake, don't shoot me, John!"

Then there was a shot. He ran to the room from where the shot came and burst in. In one corner of the room lay a woman who had been shot through the heart. In the middle of the floor was the gun that had been used to shoot her On the other side of the room stood a postman, a lawyer, and an accountant. The detective looked at them for a moment and then went up to the postman, grabbed him, and said, "I am arresting you for the murder of that woman."

It was, in fact, the postman who had murdered the woman, but how did the hotel detective know? Never before had he seen any of the people in the room.

I don't get it:o