Bad vet?

moomin5

Perhaps the vet had seen the pup before if the breeder also uses the same one or perhaps the pancreatic problem is something he has seen before with her dogs lines

I thought about that poor shitsu pup the other day when rough traders was on tv. I was rather dissapointed that it wasn't more serious and they never seemed to get the point across about how you should go about buying a pup, too busy cracking poor jokes.

Has the pup been ill ever since they brought it home? If it had then i think i'd give it the 7 days of treatment & see if theres an improvement and if not return it. Did he get the free 6wks insurance that breeders sometimes offer with a pup?

suki1964

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

really - more than £700? does it make the tea?? I would expect it to come fully trained to hoover and iron for that sort of money!:rotfl:

A dog is a dog though, I dont get the whole pedigree thing personally!

(not saying I dont like pedigrees, just that I like dogs in general, and have no urge to own a particular sort - small, dog-like - by which I mean no exaggerated features- and friendly will do me)

So he can lift his legs so I can hoover under him - does that count? :rotfl::rotfl:

And like me he does a runner if the ironing board comes out :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I dont know why we went pedigree tbh. As kids we both had mutts. I think because our first dog was a cocker we fell in love with their traits and tbh as a breed they suited us as a household.

Now Im more informed about breeding, animal welfare and the likes I wont be getting another pedigree. However although I have had my eyes opened I dont knock people for wanting a pedigree, I just try to point them to the right road of getting one. Even though its breed clubs that keep the "breed standards" that we have come to detest

Buttonmoons

moomin5 wrote: »

Perhaps the vet had seen the pup before if the breeder also uses the same one or perhaps the pancreatic problem is something he has seen before with her dogs lines

I thought about that poor shitsu pup the other day when rough traders was on tv. I was rather dissapointed that it wasn't more serious and they never seemed to get the point across about how you should go about buying a pup, too busy cracking poor jokes.

Has the pup been ill ever since they brought it home? If it had then i think i'd give it the 7 days of treatment & see if theres an improvement and if not return it. Did he get the free 6wks insurance that breeders sometimes offer with a pup?

Yep he got the free 6weeks insurance when he got the pup.

Yeah that could be a possibility, maybe her dogs are prone to that :think:

The dog has had runny poos since they brought it home, my friend thought he was doing something wrong, but if it has something wrong with it's tum, then he can't blame himself for that.

OH was listening to Radio 1 the other day and texted me asking if my friends sister had just been on, because some girl had phoned in saying she had paid £400 for shitsu, and it died off parvo a week later. It wasn't. But apparently, a load of shitsu pups were shipped over from Ireland, ALL with parvo.

That dog didn't die of parvo, it was some stomach thing? I want to say Gastreonititus (SP!).

MrsTinks

I think anyone willing to take a pup home that is 6 weeks old frankly shouldn't be allowed one... but on the other hand ANY respect that I might have for the breeder would have gone out the window for the very same reason. Yes I got my kittens at 7 weeks - but only because there had been an outbreak of cat flu a few doors down and both the lady who owned the mum and I felt that it was safer to remove the kittens a week early than them getting exposed to cat flu. Especially as all the cats there were outdoor farm cat types But as a rule I'd certainly never recommend people take on any cat or dog that young. Apart from health issues then it will miss out on diciplin from mum and its siblings - one thing that being with his litter might have helped with is the mouthing and biting. When they get their ears chewed as pups by their siblings they soon learn that biting hurts.
Inbreeding... you can't tell in a 12 week pup let a lone an 8 week one if it will have better or worse build or quality than another pup. Many good breeders don't let their pups go till slightly older for that exact reason - especially if they are wanting a show pup themselves from that litter. They want to pick the best from the litter and you just can't tell that early on

Where to go from here... If not happy with one vets oppinion then seek a second I would say I have little reason to doubt that this vet knows something about the pup he might not be letting on but if your mate doesn't feel comfortable with him or his views on training (which really I have to say I don't agree with either...) then go to a different surgery and ask their oppinion
My friend is a vet and they deal with a cat breeder - she loathes him but they treat his animals because it's a business. Whilst he doesn't mistreat the cats then they certainly don't get any love either and they are in her view as a vet bred too often. But ultimately they do make a lot of money from him and he doesn't mistreat the animals so what should they do? Turning business away is just foolish But I bet if anyone took in a kitten they had got from him to her she'd have no qualms about telling them of any defects the kitten might have or to return it if she felt that was appropriate.
Best of luck to the wee pup

lowis

Buttonmoons wrote: »

Yeah I can see why it would have diarrehea from that, but the first week and a half they had it, nothing had been altered, it got it's 50g a day and it still had mustard poos. They took it too the vet because of it's poo's and thats when the vets started changing everything.

Mind you it did have worms, a couple of big white things came out it's bum, ewwwww. I can't even tolerate earthworms, I think I'd hurl if I seen that!

ew earthworms...ew...that is my only phobia!

my opinion...if the breeder is so reputablem how come she sold the pup at 6 weeks old? is the pup covered for all the illnesses on the insurance? if not, could be very expensive in the future!

Buttonmoons

MrsTine - I also thought it was odd how they sold the pup at 6weeks, and I said that was far too young, she told my friend that huskys are different and can leave their mother quicker, bearing in mind she said to my friend the pup had been OFF it's mothers milk for a while.

I think they are far too trusting, she seemed to know alot about the breed etc, they should of researched things alot more and not taken her word for things.

He's going to see if the course of antibiotics help the dogs tum, if not he's taking it to a different vet as he didn't like that one - obviously.

If the antibiotics don't work then I think it's blood tests. I think they are covered on that but not 100%, they've not had to make a claim yet.

The dog has managed to gain a bit of weight, it should weigh 5kg, and only weighs 3.8kg, BUT it was 3.3kg before it got put on Eubanka? But then that vet looked at the poo sample, threw it in the bin and said JUST WHAT I THOUGHT, IT'S NOT BEING DIGESTED!! I've never seen kibble in it's poo!

MrsTinks

Off mothers milk or not - they need the socialisation thing too And I'd think if they were off mums milk that early I'd be worried - maybe mums milk dried up early? That could be a sign that the pups haven't got all the nurishment they should. I don't know of many pups that have voluntarily stopped nursing before 6 weeks... I could be wrong though - all huskies I've had dealings with have been older in fairness

Not being digested and having kibble in the poo is 2 different things I wouldn't expect neat little pebbles of kibble in there - soon as kibble hits any fluid it goes to mush - but it's not hard to see if it's been digested properly usually (Says she who feels she knows far too much about her dogs back end motions! Unfortunately not long after we adopted Kira she had a really bad bug and I unfortunately became very familiar with the differences trust me... it's not difficult to tell once you've seen it a couple of times )
As for the weight - I really wouldn't worry too much about that - what matters is that the pup is hydrated and IS putting on weight - for now ignore how much it SHOULD weigh .

shoppaholic_returns

No sensible breeder would let a pup leave its mum less than 12 weeks,anyway thats by the by, for the runny bum,Id suggest the only thing that worked for our pup was a product called pro-colin its like a prebiotic natural product so the dogs not full of antibiotics and it is brilliant!

Food wise the best food for us has been Pro plan salmon and rice for sensitive tummys, never looked back with this stuff and she loves it,tried JWB,royal canin, burns and hills sceince, all rejected and bum probs, and shes soooo fussy, these might work!

Just to give you an idea we struggled for some months trying to get our dogs tummy right,no worms involved just no good with chicken and other meats.

My dog is a working dog of the spitz variety like a husky and they all have very sensitive tummies I would seriously try the above!

suki1964

shoppaholic_returns wrote: »

No sensible breeder would let a pup leave its mum less than 12 weeks,!

Im sorry but at 12 weeks the dog should be well settled into his new home, well socialised, boostered and ready to be taken out walkies and trained to lead

Dogs ideally should be homed at 8 weeks although the KC allow 6 weeks. At 8 weeks the pup has the better ability to learn so its often better to home a pup at that age where it can get one to one attention and human interaction rather then leave it to get too dependent on its siblings to teach it bad manners (only in that we want dogs to behave a certain way, not that dog behaviour is bad)

Errata

They are insured, so they have £60 excess to pay. Still mounts up though.

If the vet has noted up he advised that the pup be returned to the breeder and the owner ignores the advice, and the vet includes this info in any report the insurance company ask for, it could invalidate the insurance.