Bad vet?

suki1964

Buttonmoons wrote: »

I will tell him to reduce the food again and bulk it out with cabbage - What other veggies are good? Carrot?

No they don't give him ANY snacks at all, his mum heard that giving dogs sardine was good for them, so has given the pup 1 or 2, I believe but that's it. He also has a big shoulder bone or something to gnaw on, but all the meat has been scrapedoff. They always put him in his crate when they eat too because he is a pain when food is about.

They didn't want to change his food, as the JWB is what the breeder had the pup on, but the vet said to move him onto Eubanka. I will tell him to reduce it back down to 50g a day, he is a very greedy dog though. Even on the 50g a day he had runny stools, and it was after a vet visit the Vet said that it was far too little and to increase it to 150g a day! They only put it up to 100g, and even then he was still under your feet in the kitchen, waiting for ANYTHING to fall. I don't even think his food touches the sides the way he wolfs it down.

Nope no luck it seems, which is a shame, as he thought he was doing the right thing after his sister bought that ill dog from the puppy farm. The breeder seemed knowledgeable, and has 15 of her own, so I guess you just don't expect them to have serious problems.

The amount of food should go on what the weight of the dog SHOULD be so if the vet has said 150g then Im sure the vet knows Eukanuba better then me ( I wouldnt touch it personally)

Any change of food should be done over a week to 10 days so as you dont get the runny bum problem. You imagine how your insides would be if you were a veggie all your life then thrown steak every meal - eye of a needle springs to mind :rotfl::rotfl:

15 of her own? Sound like there is proberly some inbreeding going on there. Most reputable breeders would only have a litter if they were looking a show or working dog to bring along. They would possibly have one ot two still showing and one or two retired - but 15? How on earth could a reputable breeder put in the work that 15 require?

Buttonmoons

True,FC. I just think that would break their hearts, they are very attached to the dog already. He even asked me if he should take it back to the breeder as he feels he's done a bad job. I didn't comment, but I think I might broach the subject with him, if the dog still isn't better after this course of anti-biotics.

I imagine me being told to F off though. He seems to go in swings in roundabouts, asking me for advice, listening, agreeing, and normally not doing it, or telling me I'm a know it all who hasn't owned a dog.

I highly doubt the breeder would return their £700 aswell, she said the dog must be returned too her for whatever reason, rather than a pound etc, but I highly doubt they get their cash back.

Buttonmoons

suki1964 wrote: »

The amount of food should go on what the weight of the dog SHOULD be so if the vet has said 150g then Im sure the vet knows Eukanuba better then me ( I wouldnt touch it personally)

Any change of food should be done over a week to 10 days so as you dont get the runny bum problem. You imagine how your insides would be if you were a veggie all your life then thrown steak every meal - eye of a needle springs to mind :rotfl::rotfl:

15 of her own? Sound like there is proberly some inbreeding going on there. Most reputable breeders would only have a litter if they were looking a show or working dog to bring along. They would possibly have one ot two still showing and one or two retired - but 15? How on earth could a reputable breeder put in the work that 15 require?

Well she uses them in some sledding thingy....Like they would in Alaska, but it looks like a chariot? The dogs pull that, or most of them do anyways. She dosen't show them. Yeah, 15 dogs seems excessive. She must be nuts.

Well, the Vet said 150g whilst the dog WAS on JWB, and ANOTHER vet switched him over to Eubanka last week. He also said that he could just do it straight away as the worming powder will give him diarrehea anyways. So they did!

Whats so bad with Eubanka, they test on animals?

foreign_correspondent

I highly doubt the breeder would return their £700

:eek:

.. cor, £700 for a pup - and these breeders always reckon they make no money from it!!?

righto!:rotfl:

Yeah, I know what you are saying about it being upsetting for them, but a sick pup could cost them thousands in the long term - and if they are returning the pup on vets advice, as he believes it to be inbred I would think they would have a good case - they are not returning it on a whim.

However, it is up to them, and there is only so much advice you can give!

suki1964

So the dog has had the food changed and been wormed and the amount of food changed, as well as injections and a new home - no wonder runny bum

But then if the vet is saying return it, they should - as they are returning on medical grounds and they should get their money back

If not they can always go through the small claims

suki1964

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

:eek:

.. cor, £700 for a pup - and these breeders always reckon they make no money from it!!?:rotfl:

Yeah, I know what you are saying about it being upsetting for them, but a sick pup could cost them thousands in the long term - and if they are eturning the pup on vets advice, as he believes it to be inbred I would think they would have a good case - they are not returning it on a whim.

However, it is up to them, and there is only so much advice you can give!

Wont tell you how much my cocker cost me then

Buttonmoons

It's like highway robbery. Maybe because it has one of those weird names, they can charge more? You know, like a piece of paper with his family history and then it's OFFICIAL NAME. Whatever the hell that's for.
I'd rather have a mongrel than a pedigree, and I did ask him why he didn't go down to the pound and get a nice crossbreed - Oh want this kind. Like a big child!

I'll read him out the advice and hopefully he'll make an informed decision. Fingers crossed those antibiotics sort out whatever problem the pup has, otherwise it's blood tests etc on the menu for the vets.

They are insured, so they have £60 excess to pay. Still mounts up though.

Makes me glad that my cat has never been ill, just your average mogpog.

It's funny, now I think about it, of all the people I've known with dogs, the crossbreed/whatthehellarethey/mongrel types, have always outlived the pedigree ones, and rarely had a trip to the vets, as opposed to the others.

foreign_correspondent

suki1964 wrote: »

Wont tell you how much my cocker cost me then

really - more than £700? does it make the tea?? I would expect it to come fully trained to hoover and iron for that sort of money!:rotfl:

A dog is a dog though, I dont get the whole pedigree thing personally!

(not saying I dont like pedigrees, just that I like dogs in general, and have no urge to own a particular sort - small, dog-like - by which I mean no exaggerated features- and friendly will do me)

Buttonmoons

suki1964 wrote: »

So the dog has had the food changed and been wormed and the amount of food changed, as well as injections and a new home - no wonder runny bum

But then if the vet is saying return it, they should - as they are returning on medical grounds and they should get their money back

If not they can always go through the small claims

Yeah I can see why it would have diarrehea from that, but the first week and a half they had it, nothing had been altered, it got it's 50g a day and it still had mustard poos. They took it too the vet because of it's poo's and thats when the vets started changing everything.

Mind you it did have worms, a couple of big white things came out it's bum, ewwwww. I can't even tolerate earthworms, I think I'd hurl if I seen that!

suki1964

Worms are common in pups, esp at that young age as not all the eggs in its tum would have been killed (worming every two week till 12 weeks then monthly till six months - I think it is)

If you friend decides to return this one and then later on decides to buy another pedigree. Get him to do his homework about breeders first - then let them tell him the right and wrongs on pup rearing . The only place to find a good breeder is through the breed club. Not the web, not classified ads, not the KC - THE BREED CLUB.

The breed club are very competitive and breed to standard and believe me if theres anything untoward about a breeder they will know and will be the first to tell you. You need to ring the breed secretary of the areas you are willing to travel to and make friends with them. Its them getting to know you that will give you access to those breeders who will have pups for sale. It can be a drawn out nosey business but you want a pedigree dog then thats what you have to do (imo). When I was looking for my cocker it took months of chatting to secretaries and then breeders before I found one that suited me and I her. When I said to one secretary I was looking for undocked she put the phone down on me after telling me no decent breeder left their pups undocked !!:eek::eek::eek: (before docking was made illegal)

The secretary of the working breed told me in no uncertain terms I wasnt even to think about a working cocker as my lifestyle was not suitable:rotfl::rotfl:

Its a long drawn out process but its worth it come the end