Avon, Betterware or Kleeneze?

sunshine1234_2

Hi,

I have read through quite a few posts regarding all 3 but wondered your advice on which would suit me!? If any!

I am a student (i have been looking for a job for months now, can't seem to find anything at all, have tried all the usual - bars, pubs, restaurants, shops, uni bars etc and nothing suitable!)

I like the idea of Avon as I love hair and beauty so would be interested in the products but being a student, i live away from home, near uni, albeit only about 30-40 mins away which means i go home in the holidays so maybe i am not suitable? as wouldn't be in the area allocated to me all the time! maybe i could just run Avon from my hometown but then i'd have my train fare to pay for each week?!

Betterware sounds good as you don't have to buy the catalogues etc and i dont think you have a specific area to focus on, so does that mean i could possibly do two areas? (uni area and hometown area?) maybe this might be too much? or not work out at all?

Kleeneze sounds like the one to make the most money (even though i'm not bothered about making mega bucks, i'd be happy with a job on minimum wage whilst i am a student!) but again i think you have to stick to a specific area which might not work as i'm a student away from home!

Then again, whilst i've been writing this post, i doubt any of the 3 would really be suitable for me as i live away from home! What do you guys think? Help!!! I need to start earning!

Thanks in advance!

lozza1985

Hi, we did both Kleeneze and Avon until this week, and now we only do Avon, Kleeneze is a CON!! you have to buy all your books and equipment at an average cost of £150 for 200 books. And then you have to pay £7.50 p/m for the online website , and after the first month you need to get a Min of £225 of orders before you get free postage, if it is under that amount you have to pay £5, and for under £150 its £1O delivery. For Kleeneze you don't have a set area, so that could work for you for the Uni/ Home problem, but what you have to be aware of there may be several distributors in the area ( as we found ) and if they have got a loyal customer base then that will be a major problem!

For Avon yes you do have a set territory as well as selling to friends / family etc. so don't know how that would work for you. The initial outlay is £7.50 from your first two orders for which you get your books for free for the first two campaigns after which point you pay for your books ( £4.15 for the first 15 books then 48p per 5 books thereafter). Maybe ring and see about the territory issue? Unless there is someone staying at uni over the summer who could do you round for you then, with them getting a cut of the profit?

We looked at Betterware but there wasn't a manager in our area, so we could not start with them. But maybe ring and enquire as I know they have set territories so you have no one else in your patch.

My advice to you is get a part time job as at least your on a regular wage and there's no out lay for anything !! We do Avon to top up our full-time wages, in order to be able to save for a new kitchen!

Good Luck with whatever you decide

davegillard

Hi

Betterware is free to start up, so would say thats probably a better shot to start with, if you can make it work, and commit to the walking dropping off catalogues etc, then go for something like Kleeneze. Its a better way to test the water IMO.

Remember, people are looking for bargains, so you may be better off just finding some bargains (poundland?) banging 50p or £1 on each item, getting some leaflets printed and dropping them locally.

Any of these working with Kleeneze, Betterware, Avon etc - remember you will have to do a lot of work to get customers, and even more so given the state of the country at the moment - but that said, people are still looking for convenience.

We did Betterware for a while once, it was ok - had we been bothered to drop the catalogues more regularly etc we'd of prob done quite well out of it.

Cheers
Dave

klzmenstrie

How is Kleeneze a con? Yes you have to buy your tools, but how many businesses do you know that have little or no set up costs? Kleeneze doesn't restrict you to an area, unlike Betterware. Both have pros and cons to them.

I suggest you do some research into how many distributors you have in surrounding areas and take things from there. You can do catalogue drops when you currently live and when you go home between semesters. Theres nothing to stop you doing catalogue drops there.

Like most business ventures, if you work hard you will reap the rewards. If you don't, you won't be in business very long.

Fail to prepare or Prepare to fail.

The choice is yours.

All the best in what you decide to do.

lozza1985

I have to apologise Kleeneze isn't a con - my partner posted that link on my username - he's just so fed up of Kleeneze! I have to say it does work for some people, but we just haven't had any luck, due to the area that we live.

I think the nail in the coffin for him was when we had an email saying some of the giro slips for paying cheques in might not work! And we have paid 2 cheques in, which isn't showing up as being credited yet, so looks like they might have been "faulty" giro slips :rolleyes: so therefore we are out of pocket for £18 on top of everything else!

OldGreyFox

klzmenstrie wrote: »

How is Kleeneze a con? Yes you have to buy your tools, but how many businesses do you know that have little or no set up costs? Kleeneze doesn't restrict you to an area, unlike Betterware. Both have pros and cons to them.

I suggest you do some research into how many distributors you have in surrounding areas and take things from there. You can do catalogue drops when you currently live and when you go home between semesters. Theres nothing to stop you doing catalogue drops there.

Like most business ventures, if you work hard you will reap the rewards. If you don't, you won't be in business very long.

Fail to prepare or Prepare to fail.

The choice is yours.

All the best in what you decide to do.

Dont you work for them ?

kat79

Kleeneze isn't a con, its a business. With a business you have to pay out for some things. Its not right for everyone though, but on the plus side, I think you can try it and get a refund of the start up cost if you don't want to continue. (I think that's the case anyway, a wee bit tired tonight!)

Kit603

Sunshine,

I'm a part-time Kleeneze distributor (and ex-avon distributor) myself and also a full-time university student so if you'd like any help or information about anything don't hesitate to ask. I won't mention betterware as I have no experience with them so it would be unfair to judge.

With Kleeneze, there are numerous options to start up ranging from £75 to £151 depending on how many catalogues you want to start off with. Once you're all set up and ready to go, you really can go anywhere. In my local area there are a number of Kleeneze distributors and rather than compete we actually hold meetings and share hints/tips etc so that we can all help each other.

You only need to buy your catalogues twice a year (except for the occasional times when you may need extra as people haven't returned them or they've got worn out).

The profits range from a minimum 21% of what you sell to 45% of what you sell depending on your total orders in a 4 week period. You only need to do £181 in a week to qualify for an extra 10% bonus on top of your standard 21% and i've done this every time, so far. (touch wood!)

With Avon, the start up cost is two payments of £7.50, which come out of your profits once you've started. However, you usually only get around 25 catalogues to get started and you're restricted to a particular area. I've not had much of an experience with other avon distributors but my aunty who also does avon did have a bad experience where another avon distributor started stealing her catalogues with/without orders in them!

The catalogues are cheaper to buy, but you are required to buy them more often and your start up fee only includes around 25 catalogues which isn't enough to make any real money esp. if you dont have much spare time to chase them up and put them back out every day.

With Avon, the profits are at a fixed rate which is lower than that of Kleeneze and there isn't as much room for progression.

The important thing to remember is that you need to think long-term. Both companies will have pros and cons and you just need to pick the one that will suit you best in the long run.

Kit

EDIT: I would just like to point out that Lozza's earlier comment about the cost of 200 books is actually incorrect. It costs £128 for 200 books, and that is 200 of EACH of the 3 Kleeneze catalogues (main, health and beauty and sale/specialogue) so you're actually getting 600 catalogues. Plus, that price includes durable catalogue bags to prevent wear and tear and order forms.

Pssst

Someone dropped a kleenze pack at my house the other day along with some bling bling jewellery catalogue.

I flicked through it. Inside the kleeneze was the occasional story of successful kleeneze reps who made loads of money each month,had been given cars by kleeneze,nominated to go on nice holidays etc.

I didnt believe a word of it.

i suspect many reps tramp the streets for hours in all weathers,delivering catalogues a percentage of which they will never get back. Then a couple of days later,they tramp the streets again collecting in all the soggy catalogues that have been left outside by residents who can be bothered to leave them out,minus orders.

a bit like Betterware.

Both pyramid like selling in disguise.

Its not tramping the streets that makes the money. Its recruiting and expanding your "sales team" (of suckers)

Kit603

That's not true at all. I've just started sponsoring other people into the business myself but i've been making money without ever doing that. How can you say that by earning 21% - 45% (or whatever it is in a particular company) that you're not earning anything?

Like you said yourself, you "suspect" and you chose not to believe it. If you've not done it yourself then how can you sit there and judge?

If the orders were so little companies like avon, betterware and Kleeneze would be out of business by now rather than expanding internationally and rewarding its distributors with bonuses.

Also, i'm not wanting to get into an argument but I do recommend that before you spout off about anything you actually look into what Pyramid Selling is really about. I'm sure you'll find that companies like Kleeneze are members of the direct selling association and have a strong code of conduct that ensures we practice nothing of the sort. Furthermore, we were one of the founding members who pushed for pyramid selling to be made illegal.

Which brings me on to my next point... Kleeneze has been around since 1923... and Pyramid Selling has been illegal for quite some time. If Kleeneze was pyramid selling then wouldn't it have been shut down by now?

(Kleeneze is used as an example but this does apply to other companies such as Avon)

Pssst

Thats fine,we are not arguing and you have a vested interest as an agent/emplyee whatever. I tried Betterware and tramped the streets for hours/days and didnt make a bean.

There are some interesting and diverse products in the kleeneze catalogue. I imagine that certain demographic groups would be the target market?

The portable urinal with feminine adaptor always raises a smile.