Recession exacerbated by sSmoking Ban in public

Cleaver

dervish wrote: »

1. I know several people skiled tradesmen and other workers who now are not allowed to smoke in the workplace. These people are noW DISENFANCHISED and cannot even work and soke in tneir own workplace.#

Are you paying monkeys to do all your typing for you?

a_rather_tall_man

I read an article about a month or so back which looked at the rate of pub closures before and after the smoking ban and it turned out not to be a massive increase, they were already declining in number quite rapidly before it was introduced. It just something the smokers have seized on to create some weight to their argument. I think its more to do with the fact that a pint is usually more than £3 these days where as the same quantity of drink from a supermarket is at least half that.

mewbie_2

If the good old hard working man was not lounging about smoking half the day then we would have even more unemployed. Smoke for Britain and ignore the pink oboe players.

lostinrates

a_rather_tall_man wrote: »

I read an article about a month or so back which looked at the rate of pub closures before and after the smoking ban and it turned out not to be a massive increase, they were already declining in number quite rapidly before it was introduced. It just something the smokers have seized on to create some weight to their argument. I think its more to do with the fact that a pint is usually more than £3 these days where as the same quantity of drink from a supermarket is at least half that.

The problem for pubs in my area, as I understand it, is that people are not prepared to walk a few miles for a nice drink in a rural pub and are realising that no one is immune from drink driving convictions.

To be honest, a good walk wouldn't hurt most people, (in the countryside people generally walk a lot less than in cities as a means of getting about as opposed to a leisure activity) and driving drunk really does risk hurting them.

Pobby

I only hope this will not be the end of the " local ". Weatherspoons has it`s place but for me you can`t beat the independent.

stevsand

FairyElephant wrote: »

Q "Do you mind if I smoke?"
A "No, that's fine, as long as you don't exhale!":rotfl:


A comedian (sorry - don't remember which one) once came up with a line something like "I'm fine with people smoking in pubs, and breathing out their smoke all over me - as long as they don't mind me drinking and pi**ing out the residue from that all over them!":rotfl:

And it was'nt funny then.

stevsand

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

You brought up the subject of labs, I just followed you down that avenue. However, I have gone to some really modern clubs that do have really advanced air extraction and air filtration systems in both Manchester and London, but I've still come home from them smelling of fags. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one though, and anyway it's all a moot discussion because they have been banned and that's that.

Your experience in this field is based on you went to some modern clubs! as a engineer the OP is correct,there is several systems which would be effective.

fc123

Strange thread.....however, son is 21 and very few of his mates smoke.
I notice very few under 30's smoke too compare to the average of 1 in 4 ? Don't know if that's an up to date stat.

Young people, in general don't smoke much, they just take a lot more class A drugs and eat way more junk food than young people 2 or 3 decades back. Cheaper too.

Smoking will just decline slowly and eventually die out as a habit.

bo_drinker

fc123 wrote: »

Strange thread.....however, son is 21 and very few of his mates smoke.
I notice very few under 30's smoke too compare to the average of 1 in 4 ? Don't know if that's an up to date stat.

Young people, in general don't smoke much, they just take a lot more class A drugs and eat way more junk food than young people 2 or 3 decades back. Cheaper too.

Smoking will just decline slowly and eventually die out as a habit.

I agreebut they won't want it to die out too quickly as it earns good revenue (I am a non smoker) and they will need to replace those earnings with something, farting maybe ?

Snooze

macaque wrote: »

You are confusing 'clean areas' with LEV. In a clean area, air flow direction is controlled throughout and inlet air is HEPA filtered. This is done for product product protection.

Providing air velocity criteria are satisfied, LEV works equally well in a rickety old publ as a modern laboratory. Well designed LEV systems achieve the desired outcome with low air change rate.

Having a smoking room is even easier. All you do is put an extraction fan in the room so that the direction of air flow is always towards the room from adjacent rooms. An arrangement like this would give smokers what they want without disturbing other people. The anti smoking lobby refuse to listen to solutions like this because they are determined to impose their own values on other people.

Macaque just give it up. It doesn't matter what ideas or solutions you come up so that everyone can enjoy themselves, the anti-everything brigade on here will come up with some ridiculous reason why it "can't" work.

As a non-smoker myself I think it's pretty shocking the way smokers get treated these days. All my friends are smokers - and fairly heavy ones at that - and have no issues at all with them smoking as long as they don't blow the smoke right in my face. I have the choice of whether to sit there and put up with it or go elsewhere - no-one is forcing me. I believe it's called live and let live.

The solution the problem imho is to have smoking pubs and non-smoking pubs but of course that is not acceptable to the anti-everything brigade is it. :rolleyes:

Rob