Recession exacerbated by sSmoking Ban in public

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I am part time smoker (I like a ciggy sometimes at the evening with drink).
However, I have a kind of split view of the argument...

I partialy agree with the ban - but I wouldn't do it the same way. I would allow some places to apply for special license on the basis of very good air purity devices to operate a place for smokers. With a limit of just one in the village or something. Just like private clubs maybe??
Let's face it - everyone knows that since aeroplanes banned smoking on the planes the air quality reduced singnificantly.

I don't agree that people are giving up jobs or not applying because of smoking.

However I do agree that if everyone is going to live longer who is going to pay for it. And the reducing income from tax on ciggaretes will also affect us all....

McKneff

dervish wrote: »

The Smoking Ban of smoking in public has certainly not helped the gernal ecnonomy or the recession.

1) Lots of people are not applying for jobs becuase nowadays they are not allowed to smoke on the premises - mechanics, factory workers, office workers etc - this has driven the figures up.

2) Pubs / restuarants / cafes / liesure centres etc have seen a pllummet in customers becuase now trhey cant smoke in peace.

3) The Wills factory (woodbines) in Newcastle upon Tyne has closed and had its factory turned into flats becuase the company went bust.

4) People are feeling more depressed now and thereofre wanting to smoke now which is not allowed now so it reinforces the whole vicios circle again.


When the ban came in to force last year people said it wouldnt harm any businesses or close pubs etc. It is obvious that thousands of people are now suffering / losing jobs or not applying for them becasue of it.

The Wills factory closed down absolutely donkeys years ago and had nothing to do with the smoking ban. The building was listed so couldnt be knocked down, that is why there is apartments there. I used to work at Wills, happy days, good wages, free fags, body searches

Mr_Matey

Dithering_Dad wrote: »

I think it's great to be able to go to a club or pub and not come home stinking and have to put a shirt that you might only have had on for a couple of hours into the wash because it smells so appalling. Do smokers just not realise how bad their clothes and breath smells?

Next on the list should be companies banning their employees from loafing about outside the front of buildings, littering the gutters and pathways with fag ends and making the company look a little seedy. You almost get lung cancer trying to force your way into reception through the massed ranks of stinking and coughing smokers huddled around the doorways.

The reason the government had to ban smokers was because of the dangers of second hand smoke on the employees who work behind the bar. While smokers may be determined to commit slow suicide and turn their lungs black, the bar staff didn't have a choice. Roy Castle is a classic example of someone dying because of the selfish habbit of smokers - he had a type of lung cancer that is only found in smokers, yet he never smoked. What he did do however was to perform in working men's clubs that were full of smokers.

I think the smoking ban is absolutely brilliant and in a few years people will be wondering what all the fuss was about. It's great not to have to work in a smoky environment, it's great not to have a meal ruined by smoke wafting around you and it's great to go into a pub and not have your lungs ruined by selfish people.

Totally agree. I hate getting home after a night out and having to air out my clothes and shower/wash my hair so I don't stink out my bed with the stench of smoke.

It's awful getting into a lift with someone who's just been out for a ciggie. As bad as someone letting rip.

cjmarcantonio

dervish wrote: »

The Smoking Ban of smoking in public has certainly not helped the gernal ecnonomy or the recession.

1) Lots of people are not applying for jobs becuase nowadays they are not allowed to smoke on the premises - mechanics, factory workers, office workers etc - this has driven the figures up.

2) Pubs / restuarants / cafes / liesure centres etc have seen a pllummet in customers becuase now trhey cant smoke in peace.

3) The Wills factory (woodbines) in Newcastle upon Tyne has closed and had its factory turned into flats becuase the company went bust.

4) People are feeling more depressed now and thereofre wanting to smoke now which is not allowed now so it reinforces the whole vicios circle again.

When the ban came in to force last year people said it wouldnt harm any businesses or close pubs etc. It is obvious that thousands of people are now suffering / losing jobs or not applying for them becasue of it .

Yeh forget the fact that I can now go into a pub without reeking of second hand smoke, yet alone breathing it in.
Personally since the smoking ban, going into a pub has become more of an enjoyable experience, rather than walking in to a smoke filled saloon with stereotypical old men coughing their guts up and chain smoking pre-teens acting hard.

But the selfish smoker rarely sees anyone elses point of view...

cjmarcantonio

Mr_Matey wrote: »

As bad as someone letting rip.

At least that's funny!!!

mymatebob

dervish wrote: »

The Smoking Ban of smoking in public has certainly not helped the gernal ecnonomy or the recession.

1) Lots of people are not applying for jobs becuase nowadays they are not allowed to smoke on the premises - mechanics, factory workers, office workers etc - this has driven the figures up. Can you provide evidence of this please?

2) Pubs / restuarants / cafes / liesure centres etc have seen a pllummet in customers becuase now trhey cant smoke in peace. The smokers cannot now poison other customers

3) The Wills factory (woodbines) in Newcastle upon Tyne has closed and had its factory turned into flats becuase the company went bust. The factory closed in 1986!!!!

4) People are feeling more depressed now and thereofre wanting to smoke now which is not allowed now so it reinforces the whole vicios circle again.
Evidence please. Smoking is not banned yet is it? My Doctor does not prescribe cigarettes for dealing with depression

When the ban came in to force last year people said it wouldnt harm any businesses or close pubs etc. It is obvious that thousands of people are now suffering / losing jobs or not applying for them becasue of it.

It is not obvious at all that people are not applying for jobs because of a smoking ban (which has been in place in different places for more than a year)

macaque_2

I have quite a lot of sympathy with the OP.

It is perfectly reasonable for people to want to be protected from passive smoking (within limits). However it is not necessary to drive smokers out into the freezing night. Exhaust hoods similar to those used in kitchens can efficiently isolate smoke from the rest of the room. This is not good enough for the anti smokers however. They want to control people's lives. Those who fail to cooperate are driven out into the snow and rain.

People talk about the cost of smoking to nation. On a day when the rapid growth in dementia is in the news, I wonder how the true balance of cost calculates out. Smokers contribute billions in taxes and tend not to linger on until they are 105. For a country that is already failing to look after its old people properly, I find the attitudes of the anti smoking Taliban unwelcome and unreasonable.

P.S. I speak as a non smoker myself.

Dithering_Dad

macaque wrote: »

Those who fail to cooperate are driven out into the snow and rain.

Lol, you make it sound like smokers are a sub-class of 'untouchables' like they have in India and used to have in Feudal Japan (Eta). In reality they're a bunch of people who choose to pay a lot of money to commit suicide by a very slow and lingering method and seem intent, like a man standing on the ledge of a high-rise building, to try and take as many people with them as they can.

If people want to smoke then they should stay at home and just poison their own partners and children, not me and mine.

Wales4ever

Wow....I need a cigarette...not

stephen163

About 10% of all deaths are attributable to smoking (WHO). At least half of smokers are eventually killed by the habit (BUPA). As for passive smoking, I can on request produce a long list of references showing as conclusive as a scientific study can show how harmful the effects are.

Knowing this, will someone please remind me why this debate is still alive?