new tamper proof stamps

Mayday

omelette451 wrote: »

many companies rely on postmarks on envelopes as proof of posting on a certain day,

Including the Royal Mail Surveys System - on all my received test letters, I have to look for the franking date and time - and record the information when I log that letter

custardy

franking is still in place,nothings changed
this is in addition
perhaps peoples resistance to this goes to prove why they are required
just today on MSE there was somebody boasting they were saving 2nd hand stamps for their wedding invitiations

amcluesent

If the PO was wanting to move with the times, they should have a post box at the main sorting offices which reads the 'code' from on-line postage labels and spits out a CoP for that transaction.

I'm sick and tired of queuing being grannies on a Saturday morning just to get a stamp and intials on the CoP for eBay and Amazon sales.

custardy

amcluesent wrote: »

If the PO was wanting to move with the times, they should have a post box at the main sorting offices which reads the 'code' from on-line postage labels and spits out a CoP for that transaction.

I'm sick and tired of queuing being grannies on a Saturday morning just to get a stamp and intials on the CoP for eBay and Amazon sales.

why would people want to travel to a mail centre?
FYI i posted quite a while back on automated machines for this very purpose being trialed in some PO's
its not about 'moving with the times' its about revenue protection

amcluesent

>why woud people want to travel to a mail centre?<

Two reasons

1) It's close to where I live
2) I usually have a card from a failed delivery during the working week

custardy

that you collect at a mail centre?

mikey72

I still forward mail, and receive it.
It's still in their t's and c's
Section 6 of
ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/public/ctf/rm/Inland_Parcel_Post_Scheme2001_v2.pdf
and section 10.4 and 10.5 don't say
"sticking the stamp on would be deemed a reused stamp"
just a damaged one can't be used, or a pre-used one obviously.
9.12 won't let you staple them on either.

amcluesent

>that you collect at a mail centre?<

I guess

I get carded to go to -

Peterborough Mail Centre
Papyrus Road
Peterborough
PE4 5PE

omelette451

custardy wrote: »

never noticed those little red tracking barcodes on the letters?

My grandma has always reused envelopes because it's much more environmentally friendly than using new ones each time. Does this mean she'll be treated as a criminal, even if she uses a new stamp each time? She peels the stamp off and puts a label over the franking marker (and presumably the tracking barcode too), so it's quite conceivable that RM may consider people such as her to be cheating the system when they're not.

as for 'does it matter' interesting.so you feel you should have a free redirection service while others pay for this service?

For years RM advised people who received other people's mail to write the new address (if they knew it) on the envelope and re-post it free. It's still common with students away at university for this to happen, and no one ever questions it. The one time I moved house and did use the 'proper' redirection service it was awful - the system picked it up only about half the time (meaning we had to keep going round to our old house to collect it anyway!), and even if it did it took a week to be redirected a few streets away.

if its been posted then you have had the service you paid for

I don't dispute this. I merely questioned how they would know it wasn't genuine. For the record, I don't try to cheat the system myself; in my first post here I simply pointed out that it would catch out people who had genuinely made a mistake.

you will be one of the people demanding RM is run as a business etc etc
but want it like old RM where you just get letters sent all over the shop for no charge?

There is a charge, and it keeps going up! Like it or not RM is a business, and it is perfectly possible to run it as one and still keep the universal service (the railways manage it...). If staff had been more willing to keep up with the times rather than stuck in the 70s RM wouldn't have lost so much business when the market opened up. RM has a genuine USP and I'm sure most big companies would love to use it more, but it needs to accept that it is operating in a modern commercial environment before that happens, and people working there need to realise that businesses have customers and need to be flexible not cumbersome.

as for postmark dates,i think you will find most companies who use 'date as postmark' are referring to their own franking date

What, even ones that use stamps rather than franking machines? I've actually noticed more and more companies switching to real stamps recently, but I haven't a clue why.

And I notice you didn't comment on the explicit praise I gave RM...:rolleyes:

custardy

okay well all those charged items i deal with every day from
revenue protection must be in my imagination
the labels marked reused stamp must be made up
if you were on my delivery i can assure you no unofficially redirected mail is delivered free
why should my office be constantly ravaged by cuts(as it is again right now)
while people expect a free service?