Failure and bitterness.

Pobby

Unless you have suffered from depression then I think that you should be careful about what you say. Sadly it is something that is so easily faked.

I fell a bit sorry for my cousin. He is a great example about not giving up. We are of a similar age with only a few year until retirement.

At school he was the bright one. A musician, an artist with a passion to teach art. Sadly he had a nervous breakdown in his first year in training to be a teacher. He suffers from OCD, anxiety with bouts of depression. He was admitted for just under a year to a mental hospital. At the end of his time there he was offered permanent disabilty. He refused and as I recall struggled to find work but kept going. He has done pretty well, although he has paid a fortune for private therapy, reaching management positions.

He has always been pretty open and has said that some days are a massive struggle. Was having a drink with him a little while ago. He was saying that, like everyone, he was worried regarding his job. He admitted that he is now getting to the point where he could really do without working but isn`t in a position to afford to retire early. He is the sort of guy that if he did throw in the towel and attempted to get disability he would, most likely, be refused.

SingleSue

The White Horse

People with depression are not lazy scum (I mean the ones who have true depression), it is not nonsense.

To someone who has never experienced depression, it may appear to be an excuse not to work but to someone who has lived through it (and not everyone does), it is awful.

I have had depression not once but several times, most of the times I was able to continue working but my last experience of it left me completely unable to function as a normal human being - not that I claimed anything for it as I took sick leave from work and I was lucky enough to work for a company that continued paying full pay.

I became scared to leave the house, I was scared to stay in the house, I couldn't speak to people on the telephone, the curtains were kept closed all day, sharp implements held a strange fascination, irrational thoughts were the order of the day.

It was severe depression caused by complete emotional and physical exhaustion, plainly speaking, I was trying to do too much and cope with too much and my doctor's initial advice was to give up work completely as I had enough on my plate with the boys and their problems.....we came to an agreement for me to have time off instead (doctor was not a happy bunny though) so that my body and mind could get a small break.

I have never watched Jeremy Kyle.....what is it?

Oh and I don't have a dressing gown either!

Bad backs? Yep got one of those too (Osteoarthritis of the lower spine and a malformed pelvis) - never claimed for that either and tended to struggle into work but that is just me and maybe my pain threshold is a little higher (or I don't want to admit my body lets me down from time to time).

I can tell you it is no fun to try to walk when you have agonising pain shooting down your legs or you can't straighten up because of a back spasm, which believe me is ouch to the nth degree.

As for your last point - And watch society break down completely as people become desperate to get food and shelter.

Kenny4315

I'd have never have guessed what a total mind kcuf it is until I had a bout of it, mainly due to taking on 2 large developments on simultaneously, and having major problems on the derelict one, and major problems with 1 of my workmen, I was out of action for about 4 weeks, and forced myself to get back on the horse, which was very difficult, but I had all my resources tied on the projects.

Another additional factor was that I was jumped by 2 chav druggie scumbags, and didn't see them coming and it resulted in a broken jaw, then there was the court case, etc (they caught one guy and he got 9 months suspended, while in the 9 months, he was caught in a drugs raid and got 6 years), his mate by the time of the trial was already in the clink (found guilty of assault), so the cops did not go after him.

mewbie_2

The_White_Horse wrote: »

they are lazy scum.

Can I ask what words you would use to describe yourself? How do you think the mainly silent majority of board members on here see you?

treliac

louiser123 wrote: »

wish i was a teenager again though!!:D )

You, rather than me louiser

Now there's a group with high and endemic levels of depression. Given the pressures on them nowadays, unlike any era ever before, I wouldn't want to be there again under any circumstances.

The_White_Horse

mewbie wrote: »

Can I ask what words you would use to describe yourself? How do you think the mainly silent majority of board members on here see you?

what do I care how they see me? they don't know me.

some lefties will think I am stupid, racist, homophobe, zenophobe, claustraphobe, or whatever idiotic nonsense they are shouting about - remember, the empty can rattles the most.

others will think I speak the truth.

some will think somewhere inbetween.

what is the point of your post?

Rosie75

What's a zenophobe? Is it like a chilled-out, new-agey kind of xenophobe? We could do with more of those on this forum.

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

they are lazy scum.

all this depression stuff is nonsense. my friends mother was depressed, she hanged herself. she still worked though, up till that day.

sitting in the priory is a new remedy, for a new illness. 30 years ago, how many were "depressed" compared to today? hardly any.

that is because 30 years ago, they had to work. now they don't as the state lets them sit around the house in a dressing gown.

most of the time, the cure for depression is work and socialising. not wearing a dressing gown and watching jeremy kyle.

the bleating liberal lefty is too blame. they have the wool pulled over their eyes time and time again, if you don't agree with them, you are labelled as thick, homophobic, zenophobic, a nazi, anti-green or whatever bee is in the collective lefty bonnet this week.

if you really want to see how many "depressed people" and how many "bad backs" there are - take away council flats and benefits and lets see who can and can't work.

Do you have any kids Mr Horse?

wysiwyg78

SingleSue wrote: »

As a minor, I wouldn't have thought she would have been legally allowed to live on her own without supervision from someone of adult age.

I wonder if this is a case of chinese whispers and the young girl was actually in a mother and baby unit with social workers etc living in.

*Not that I know much about that either!

I can tell you that there are very few mother and baby units around the country. They are only usually used for young mums with mental illnesses who need the extra support. A girl I was in a psychiatric unit with a few months ago tried desperately to get into one but they couldn't find one with any space. So in the end they made the decision to take her baby off her instead. Trust me, there are nowhere near enough places to deal with all the teen mums in this country.

Cleaver

casleigh wrote: »

I just wanted to say that not all with depression and other mental illnesses are taking advantage of the system and leading a 'good' life on benefits. As well as 3 immune disorders and arthritis I have a clinical depression diagnosis along with chronic psychotic illness (I hear and see things). I have attempted to work 4 times in my life and the pressure of trying has resulted in me trying to suicide 4 times.I am not claiming all the benefits Im entitled to because I simply cant get there,I havent left the house for 6 months. I have a 19inch black and white tv and my only luxury is £10 for internet. All my DLA money goes on paying a very kind lady to visit me 3 times a week and help me wash and clean my flat. I do not expect more and I do not see why I should have more as I am not working and am told its now very likely that I ever will and taking 11 meds and staying inside is as good as it will get for me for the rest of my life.
I do not have a council house,I privately rent, no car which would be useless to me anyway as I never go out. I have never been on holiday in 40 years of my life. But I am fine with what I got,I dont expect to have the same luxuries as someone who can work everyday and yes I do feel guilt that I cannot contribute and taxpayers are looking after me.

Please dont tar everyone on benefits with the same brush, some of us are very grateful for those who do pay tax and know we wouldnt be alive if it wasnt for them.

You represent the vast majority of people in society.

Mr White Horse has seen the small minority of people that are a blight on our society and, probably because he isn't very intelligent, has grouped everyone he doesn't like in to his image.

Don't feel guilty about getting support from people in society who are lucky anough not to suffer from the same things as you. It's the sign of a civilised and caring society and no one would begrudge you a penny.