Failure and bitterness.

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

No it just reflects the makeup of this board and their reading habits :eek:

well, assuming that an average cross section of the population come here, and all people of whatever viewpoint are just as likely to thank a post, it appears that the viewpoint has resonance with more readers than any other viewpoint in this thread.

whilst i'm not stupid enough to claim that this is a democratic mandate to throw people on benefits off a cliff - i do think that the government should do something about benefits - i believe that the majority of people in this country would too.

at the very least people would like to see far more effort made to stop benefits being paid to people who aren't entitled to them.

maybe some proper action on the latter point would restore the public's confidence in the benefits system.

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

well, assuming that an average cross section of the population come here, and all people of whatever viewpoint are just as likely to thank a post, it appears that the viewpoint has resonance with more readers than any other viewpoint in this thread.

whilst i'm not stupid enough to claim that this is a democratic mandate to throw people on benefits off a cliff - i do think that the government should do something about benefits - i believe that the majority of people in this country would too.

at the very least people would like to see far more effort made to stop benefits being paid to people who aren't entitled to them.

maybe some proper action on the latter point would restore the public's confidence in the benefits system.

This board in no way reflects the views of people accross the country, it is full of right wing Tories :eek:

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

This board in no way reflects the views of people accross the country, it is full of right wing Tories :eek:

maybe the country is full of what you perceive to be right wing tories.

in any case, i don't agree, i think there's a fair spectrum of views across this board, including extremes at both ends of the scale.

mizzbiz

StevieJ wrote: »

This board in no way reflects the views of people accross the country, it is full of right wing Tories :eek:

It probably does reflect the views of people accross the country. Unfortunately it will likely take 17 months for this to manifest itself overtly, but the sentiment is definitely brewing, in the way it did in the late 70's. Even hardcore labour voters couldn't bear to have them in government anymore after the winter of discontent. This is Winter of Discontent 2, and the vibe is pretty much the same.

StevieJ

mizzbiz wrote: »

It probably does reflect the views of people accross the country. Unfortunately it will likely take 17 months for this to manifest itself overtly, but the sentiment is definitely brewing, in the way it did in the late 70's. Even hardcore labour voters couldn't bear to have them in government anymore after the winter of discontent. This is Winter of Discontent 2, and the vibe is pretty much the same.

You get me wrong I wouldn't vote for this govt, I mean the outpourings the Daily Mail mob :eek:

schueys_girl

StevieJ

Yes girls as young as 15 have been given their own flat to take care of along with a new baby. I know a girl who is 15, and her boyfriend also the same age, they have a 1 bed flat. They could of stayed at home (no probs with thier parents) but were given a flat for their own freedom.

Now they want a bigger place, so guess what, she is pregnant again.

They dont care much for the baby they have now, he is passed to grandparents etc so they can go out, and they spend the money for him on the PS3 and games etc... ?!?!?

Not a good environment for the baby!?!?! and another on the way!

I am NOT saying this is single moms around the country etc. My fiances mom is a single mom and she is fantastic been mom and dad to her kids.

All I am saying is the system is very flawed - EVERYONE when they need it should be entitled to help - I need it now and I cannot get it - and they suggest for me to have a baby and i'll get help!? And in the meantmie I am paying for some people to completely take the P*ss and not work!!

Oh and i'm not referring to those who cannot work cos of ill health and depression etc - i know all about how debilitating depression is i have worked with people with it through my psychology degree

xx

Conrad

I'm anti Dailymailer, but I have to say the rise of the teenage Mum is down to the benefits system, and the removal of stigmatism.
In Italy I understand society stigmatises such behaviour and the result is far fewer single teenage Mums.

So on the one hand a few Italian Mums have thier sense of self diminished, but on the other children theoretically get better start in life.

The Uk has tended to seek to underpin any lifestyle choice regardless of longer term societal costs.

StevieJ

schueys_girl wrote: »

StevieJ

Yes girls as young as 15 have been given their own flat to take care of along with a new baby. I know a girl who is 15, and her boyfriend also the same age, they have a 1 bed flat. They could of stayed at home (no probs with thier parents) but were given a flat for their own freedom.

Now they want a bigger place, so guess what, she is pregnant again.

They dont care much for the baby they have now, he is passed to grandparents etc so they can go out, and they spend the money for him on the PS3 and games etc... ?!?!?

Not a good environment for the baby!?!?! and another on the way!

I am NOT saying this is single moms around the country etc. My fiances mom is a single mom and she is fantastic been mom and dad to her kids.

All I am saying is the system is very flawed - EVERYONE when they need it should be entitled to help - I need it now and I cannot get it - and they suggest for me to have a baby and i'll get help!? And in the meantmie I am paying for some people to completely take the P*ss and not work!!

Oh and i'm not referring to those who cannot work cos of ill health and depression etc - i know all about how debilitating depression is i have worked with people with it through my psychology degree

xx

So the authorities are promoting illegal activities, cannot comprehend that! Do we have a social worker who can enlighten?

SingleSue

As a minor, I wouldn't have thought she would have been legally allowed to live on her own without supervision from someone of adult age.

I wonder if this is a case of chinese whispers and the young girl was actually in a mother and baby unit with social workers etc living in.

*Not that I know much about that either!

harryhound

Marcheline wrote: »

Harryhound, I'd say you're about right with your summation.

Whatever the ins and outs of the system, it's wrong for a government to say how many children its people can have and to force abortion/sterilisation on people - whether they be teenagers/in work or not. The point is if you're the average man in the Chinese street, the government (with help from the local community) is able to control you in a terrible way. The one child policy is an abuse of human rights.

Hi Marcheline,

What level of procreation would you class as an abuse of the rights of every other living creature on the globe ?

Perhaps it depends on the life style of the parents?
Large families for car less, vegetarians living in a two room home with a wood burner and a hectare of allotments. Come to think of it that was the "poor law" standard of living when the previous Elizabeth was on the throne.

http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm

Nothing new under the sun?
Harry:j