Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

I hope one day when they have their nice "house and family" they get f*ucked over by cheap foreign labour.

That's a nice hope to have, but the trouble is that the people it's aimed at are precisely those who would use it as an opportunity to go out and find something else, whether it makes use of the skills they've got or not, and perhaps learning new ones in the process. And yes, even if it means having a global outlook ourselves...

leveller2911

Any wrote: »

The point is, that there is work for everyone around the world and it's only up to us what we do with the opportunity.

Just because a british Johny doesn't have the courage to go and see the world, doesn't mean that he cannot.

It has been mentioned before but I'll say it again, The cost of living in eastern europe is peanuts compared to here, you cannot compare .

A lot of eastern Europeans are going home is since the likes of Poland entered the EU they have been given so many ££££ billions of grants from errrr us!!!! the country was on the up...You only have to look at Spain , Portugal and Greece they have amazing motorways etc all paid for by errrr us! ...
You may see it differently when your country gets all the "cheap foreign labour" all living together in 1 house and your months behind on your mortgage and the bailiffs are at the door........

leveller2911

omelette451 wrote: »

That's a nice hope to have, but the trouble is that the people it's aimed at are precisely those who would use it as an opportunity to go out and find something else, whether it makes use of the skills they've got or not, and perhaps learning new ones in the process. And yes, even if it means having a global outlook ourselves...

OK, so enlighten me then...........If your working all the hours god sends to make ends meet where do you find the time to re-train??? "find something else????

Ive just got it,,,, we need 28 hours in a day and re-train, the get a new job and if we are lucky the same thing won't happen again. eh??

Its easy for those who it doesn't affect to sit up there and preach.

louiser123

i have no problem with migrant workers at all, however i do feel in the current situation this should be ended temp ( no more allowed in for a while, not saying throw those out who are here) as workers have lost jobs in the 1000s over the past months i feel it is only fair to give priority to english workers, i am sure most who have lost thier jobs would reather work for minimum wages than be on the dole which would not equate to the amount earned if working.

i may be on cloud cuckoo land thinking this but this is my view.

leveller2911

louiser123 wrote: »

i have no problem with migrant workers at all, however i do feel in the current situation this should be ended temp ( no more allowed in for a while, not saying throw those out who are here) as workers have lost jobs in the 1000s over the past months i feel it is only fair to give priority to english workers, i am sure most who have lost thier jobs would reather work for minimum wages than be on the dole which would not equate to the amount earned if working.

i may be on cloud cuckoo land thinking this but this is my view.

Its illegal under EU law to give priority to "English workers".

But France get away with it and have done for years, you only have to look at the fishing industry ,its also true of Spain...

Protectionism is alive and well in the EU.........

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

OK, so enlighten me then...........If your working all the hours god sends to make ends meet where do you find the time to re-train??? "find something else????

Ive just got it,,,, we need 28 hours in a day and re-train, the get a new job and if we are lucky the same thing won't happen again. eh??

Its easy for those who it doesn't affect to sit up there and preach.

I admit it's often not easy, but there are plenty of people who have done Open University courses or gone to evening classes to learn new skills while still working. I know everyone's circumstances are different and that it's hard to generalise, but I would suggest that if people are working long hours and are struggling to cope they should do a thorough MSE check of their finances and lifestyle; they may well find themselves enlightened.

I am indeed cautious of the dangers of seeming to be 'preaching', but actually it does affect me: I am currently unemployed and searching for a job, which in these straitened times is how I have come to realise the importance of 'thinking out of the box' and being willing to be flexible. The difference is that I have made an effort to develop my skills: I speak three languages (while from your posts it seems you don't even know English properly), which means the field I have to look in is immediately many times bigger than that of my 'competitors'.

omelette451

leveller2911 wrote: »

Its illegal under EU law to give priority to "English workers".

Correct.

But France get away with it and have done for years, you only have to look at the fishing industry ,its also true of Spain...

Very much incorrect. France is extremely welcoming of the law saying any EU citizen can do any job there. It's true that immigrants who don't speak French have a harder time than those here who don't speak English, but there's no suggestion of anyone trying to give priority to French citizens. I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea what fishing has to do with anything here.

Spain has no 'Spanish jobs for Spanish people' thing either. As with England there are a fair few people who say there should be, but the high number of Portuguese, Italian, Polish and Romanian people living and working there would seem to prove there's no discrimination in practice.

leveller2911

omelette451 wrote: »

I admit it's often not easy, but there are plenty of people who have done Open University courses or gone to evening classes to learn new skills while still working. I know everyone's circumstances are different and that it's hard to generalise, but I would suggest that if people are working long hours and are struggling to cope they should do a thorough MSE check of their finances and lifestyle; they may well find themselves enlightened.

I am indeed cautious of the dangers of seeming to be 'preaching', but actually it does affect me: I am currently unemployed and searching for a job, which in these straitened times is how I have come to realise the importance of 'thinking out of the box' and being willing to be flexible. The difference is that I have made an effort to develop my skills: I speak three languages (while from your posts it seems you don't even know English properly), which means the field I have to look in is immediately many times bigger than that of my 'competitors'.

Oh so getting personal and petty, well done. Good for you .:T

I'm a self employed joiner, have a small workshop , you'll have to forgive my spelling etc as it doesn't play a large part in my job...........can you make a staircase?, queen anne window?,traditional georgian light? NO why not? guess it doesn't play a role in your job either..

louiser123

leveller2911 wrote: »

Its illegal under EU law to give priority to "English workers".

But France get away with it and have done for years, you only have to look at the fishing industry ,its also true of Spain...

Protectionism is alive and well in the EU.........

i agree there is a law "eu directive", but it wouldnt have to be unequality or discrimination if the hirers just simply chose the english worker.

i also see france have been rioting/protesting over the bank bailouts and recession there, we of course here in the uk wouldnt dream of doing that but it may get our views noticed rather than sitting back and putting up with the nightmare that is mr brown!!

leveller2911

omelette451 wrote: »

Correct.

Very much incorrect. France is extremely welcoming of the law saying any EU citizen can do any job there. It's true that immigrants who don't speak French have a harder time than those here who don't speak English, but there's no suggestion of anyone trying to give priority to French citizens. I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea what fishing has to do with anything here.

Spain has no 'Spanish jobs for Spanish people' thing either. As with England there are a fair few people who say there should be, but the high number of Portuguese, Italian, Polish and Romanian people living and working there would seem to prove there's no discrimination in practice.

I meant protectionism, take a look at the fishing industry, French governement turns a blind eye to its trawler fleets landing undersize fish(FACT) . When the French fishermen go on strike and blockade the potrs the French government turns a blind eye (Fact).. Agriculture: the French government turns a blind eye to the welfare conditions of livestock(fact) they still have veal crates etc , I could go on and on .. **Its not in name but in deeds** they don't advertise the facts