Unions protest because contractors are using foreign workers at power station.

mower5

The liberal elite, the labour government and the big unions are scared $hitless by an out pouring of rage and resentment that has been allowed to build up for years.
The liberal elite don't want their access too cheap labour threatened and have grown contemptous and fearful of white working class culture.
The government has created 100.000's of jobs in the past 10 years only for 9/10ths to be filled by foreigners while allowing generations to idle on social security.
The unions have lost touch with the members because of an obsession with leftwing equalities issues and failing to really represent their members.

Deal with the issues, don't shout down arguements with accusations of racism

Frank Field for PM (at least he's not a facking etonian)

b0rker

I think there is a conflict here on some very basic issues.

The more liberal posters are suggesting that the anyone from any nation should be able to come to the UK and work here for whatever amount of money they are willing to accept.

The less liberal posters are suggesting that people from other nations should be allowed to enter the UK market as long as they are paid the same as British workers and therefore not devaluing the British workers income potential.

I don't see this less liberal view to be at all "racist". I would consider it to be the crux of the issue though. None of the less liberal comments on this thread have suggested that forgien nationals should not be allowed to work in the UK. The concern seems to exist in the undercutting in pay.

I generally agree with the view that the undercutting of British workers by forgien workers is not a positive thing.

That comes from someone who has a Polish partner. In saying that she is better educated than me and earns more than I do so it may not be relevant in this case. She is certainly working for the market rate and not undercutting anyone.

Cleaver

harrup wrote: »

I tell ya...if you weren't so darn entertaining and side splittingly funny - it would be most scary how your mind works. I mean ...REALLY!

Whatever the shortcomings of some posts - worth turning up just for the LOL ones like those.

Behave, Cleaver. You'll never become a proper grown-up ( narrow minded, nationalistic, ossified, knitting optional ) if you don't rein in your vivid imagination and start censoring your brain.

Immigration is bad, non-competitiveness and tighly sealed British borders ( only for the purpose of immigration.... not emigration, obviously - duh) is the way to go. How can this be so difficult for you to FINALLY understand and accept?? Were you always a tad slow?

"Welding. It's just merging one metal with another, do you really need a forum? Losers. I hope you all forget to pull down those stupid Slipknot-esq masks you wear, burn your monobrows and your jobs are given cheap, oily Italians."

Cleaver

b0rker wrote: »

I think there is a conflict here on some very basic issues.

The more liberal posters are suggesting that the anyone from any nation should be able to come to the UK and work here for whatever amount of money they are willing to accept.

The less liberal posters are suggesting that people from other nations should be allowed to enter the UK market as long as they are paid the same as British workers and therefore not devaluing the British workers income potential.

I don't see this less liberal view to be at all "racist". I would consider it to be the crux of the issue though. None of the less liberal comments on this thread have suggested that forgien nationals should not be allowed to work in the UK. The concern seems to exist in the undercutting in pay.

What a sensible post. I think I'm in the second 'less liberal' camp. Remember that all those strikes at the moment are protesting against Italian workers getting exactly the same wage as British workers.

I'll just add that there is a small minority with the lesser, lesser liberal view who are suggesting that our town centres are becoming ghettos because Eastern European men are abusing women (well, he stated that they 'look like' Eastern European men. Not sure how you can tell. Maybe there were wearing replica Petr Cech headgear in some sort of Eastern European tribute motif).

In short, any company should be forced to pay foreign workers the same as British workers. Aside from that, anything is fair game. Same applies to Brits working abroad.

This will possibly be my last sensible post on the subject before descending into p*ss taking and random gibberish as I can't be bothered to try and explain my position any longer.

mower5

Cleaver wrote: »

"Welding. It's just merging one metal with another, do you really need a forum? Losers. I hope you all forget to pull down those stupid Slipknot-esq masks you wear, burn your monobrows and your jobs are given cheap, oily Italians."

Quite right, don't let people discuss their work, site , collegues, training, industrial relations, union membership. Just stay dump and don't educate yourself. I point you to my post about middle class hatred of the white workers

Cleaver

mower5 wrote: »

Quite right, don't let people discuss their work, site , collegues, training, industrial relations, union membership. Just stay dump and don't educate yourself. I point you to my post about middle class hatred of the white workers

You realise that I'm just posting gibberish for fun and not making any rational point whatsoever don't you? I don't have anything against welders.

Can't quite believe I've just had to explain that.

I do stand by the fact that their masks are quite Slipknot-esq though.

Cleaver

A photograph of a British welder. Taken yesterday.

mewbie_2

Cleaver wrote: »

In short, any company should be forced to pay foreign workers the same as British workers. Aside from that, anything is fair game. Same applies to Brits working abroad.

I have an alternate view to add. Since when did companies have to pay a fixed wage scale for a job? This sounds very old Labour 1970's union stuff to me. If person A will do the job as well as person B, but A will accept less then why shouldn't a company employ person A?

If I lose my current income stream, I will be directly targeting my competitors and offering the same service for less than them. I do hope it doesn't start a riot.

Cleaver

mewbie wrote: »

I have an alternate view to add. Since when did companies have to pay a fixed wage scale for a job? This sounds very old Labour 1970's union stuff to me. If person A will do the job as well as person B, but A will accept less then why shouldn't a company employ person A?

If I lose my current income stream, I will be directly targeting my competitors and offering the same service for less than them. I do hope it doesn't start a riot.

I didn't really mean a fixed wage set externally, but my post did make it sound that way.

What I meant is, if you're a company targetting a job then you set the price you want to pay before going out for it. You decide you want a fruit picker, you set the wage at £6, you advertise it, you employ good people who apply. If someone comes up and offers you a bucket of foreigners for £3 an hour you don't take it.

I know that sounds like a ideal world scenario, but most companies tend to have fairly public rates of pay and do stick to them.

This isn't really making sense is it? I'll stick to posting pictures of masked rock stars. Kiss are next.

b0rker

Cleaver wrote: »

In short, any company should be forced to pay foreign workers the same as British workers. Aside from that, anything is fair game. Same applies to Brits working abroad.

I would certainly go along with that as then the best man for the job would be selected on his merits. Not because he was willing to work for half of what another man needs to get paid to provide for his family in his own counrty. Nor because a man simply happens to be born in the country that the job is being advertised.